[PRCo] Re: 3800 Series LOST

Wed May 7 17:06:35 EDT 2008

The backup control was original.  Allegedly the car was in the best shape of
those available.  I wasn't there.  Dick Bowker could answer all the
questions of how and why. 

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of John
Swindler
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:42 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3800 Series LOST

3756 has a backup conroller, which I always assumed was original, but maybe
not.  Ed???

Again, it was individuals reaching into their pockets to acquire the car,
and at this point, probably almost impossible to determine why 3756 and not
some other car.  Maybe just a car on scrap track that was available prior to
the move, and had a connection with the interurban lines.  And maybe was the
cheapest former interurban car available???  

Perhaps 4398 was acquired some two or three years later.  For several years
in mid-1950s 3487 and 4398 were stored at Glenwood.  Were they kept there
for security reasons, or until PERC could raise the cash to truck to Arden??
dunno.  But 4398 might have been used on a summer 1956 fantrip.    

John

> Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 11:35:38 -0700> From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com> Subject:
[PRCo] Re: 3800 Series LOST> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > Hi
Mr.Swindler!> > > 3756 is single end and they didn't get a DE low-floor til
much later did they? Besides, Pittsburgh Railways was mostly SE - DE
equipment was sort of unusual wasn't it.> > I think I have seen this topic
in the archives haven't I.> > Phil> > > > > ----- Original Message ----> >
From: John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com>> > To:
pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 5:38:05 AM>
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3800 Series LOST> > > > Hi Herb> > > > Perhaps it was
not a favorite car series with someone with deep pockets? And it > > was a
single end car. > > > > If that was a consideration, and I would not be
surprised if that was (maybe we > > need to ask Art Ellis) it is remarkable
that 1138 was saved. But with 1138, it > > might have been viewed as an
opportunity to save a PCC before a public authori!
 ty > > took over. And PRC, at that point, might have been willing to give >
> PTM/PRMA/PERC the benefit of the doubt and quote an attractive price. Just
> > guessing. > > > > I was surprised at how few the membership was in the
1950s. At that time, the > > museum concept was in competition with those
who's focus was taking pictures of > > fantrip cars. As others have said,
just be thankful for what did get saved. > > > > Suspect there was too much
scrap value in a 3800 and WP 700s to be affordable. > > After all, wasn't
the typical wage then around a buck an hour, or about $2,000 > > per year???
> > Even 3756 barely made it to Arden. Wasn't it a last minute acquisition
by an > > individual??? > > > > There is a lot of speculation above that
others more knowledgeable should > > comment on.> > > > John> Date: Tue, 6
May 2008 22:28:35 -0700> From: hrbran at sbcglobal.net> Subject: > > [PRCo] Re:
3800 Series LOST> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > So how does > >
this explai!
 n why PTM did not save a 3800 ??????> Fred Schneider > > wrote: It wou ld
cost money to buy, money to move, it > > doesn't fit in > everyone's back
yard, and the neighbors don't particularly like > > such > toys in your back
yard.> > About 25 years ago Dave Hamley was projecting > > slides for my >
edification and enjoyment. Several of them showed a gasoline > > >
locomotive he once had stored in his garage in a nice suburban >
neighborhood > > outside of Pittsburgh. He had rolled it out into the >
driveway for the picture. > > In the background was a neighbor dressed > in
a white shirt. Dave proceeded to > > tell how he cranked up the > engine.
When the engine fired, all of the water > > that had > accumulated in the
exhaust system came up the stack. It washed the > > > dirt out of the
muffler and stack. The neighbor's!> > white shirt was > no longer white.. It
was never again white. There was no > > bleach on > the market that could
possibly make it white. That should give > > > insights into why your
neighbor might not want any large steel >!
  objects in your > > yard.> > In my township such objects are simply
forbidden by ordinance. We > are > > note even permitted to work on our
automobiles in our driveways > because of one > > guy who collected too many
cars.> > > On May 6, 2008, at 5:54 PM, Jerry Matt > > Matsick wrote:> > >
Content-Type: text/plain> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit> > > > Herb> >
Good Buddy Mark and I often talk about the reason a 3800 series car > > > >
was> > not saved? I remember them quite well in the late 40s and early > >
50s > > on the> > Charleroi Interurban route! A Beautiful Car!> >> > --> >
>From the > > River City by the Sea!> > Jerry "Matt" Matsick> >
"Jacksonville"> >> >> > > > -------------- Original message from Herb
Brannon > > > > > ---------------------------------> : --------------> >> >>
>> Since!> > we are on the topic of "saved" PRCo cars.......> >> Why was a
3800 se> > ries interurban never saved?? They were around > >> until 1950.
It> >> seems > > someone would have!
  tried to get one off the scrap pile.> >> Fred Schneider > > wrote:> >
> PST 14 and 78 were not operational. The other revenue fleet was> >> > >
marked in service but not everything was run. Of course that> >> excludes
4398, > > and Pittsburgh 1100 series PCC and a whole lot of> >> stuff in the
Blimp Hanger > > which is not in the revenue fleet.> >>> >> On May 6, 2008,
at 9:33 AM, Jerry > > Matt Matsick wrote:> >>> >>> Mark M and myself wonder
what "cars" actually were > > operational this> >>> past weekend? Both of us
would have given anything to be > > there as> >>> it looked like a fantastic
time.> >>> -- > >>> From the River City > > by the Sea!> >>> Jerry "Matt"
Matsick> >>> "Jacksonville"> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >> Herb Brannon>
>>> >> Greetings From America's North Coast> >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Attached file > > removed by
Ecartis and put at URL below --> > !> > -- Type: image/jpeg> > -- Size: 92k
(94795 bytes)> > -- URL : > >
http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railway!
 s/3800% > > > > 20south%20of%20Charleroi.jpg> >> >> >> > > > > > Herb
Brannon> > Greetings From > > America's North Coast> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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