[PRCo] Re: SE DE

[Phillip Clark Campbell]

To the Group:


'Specifics'  I mention must be taken in context within that paragraph mustn't it.  I inadvertently overlooked the 4400s but that is small potatoes - that specific wasn't needed in the overall assessment was it.  I was speaking generally.

As to Why SE Mr.Schneider?  I don't know do I.  You mention that car cards are very incomplete.  PRC didn't keep records for historians nor railfans did they but rather for daily operations where necessary.  One would probably have to deduce SE purchases from a myriad of documents to get this answer and that would be open to interpretation wouldn't it without a valid verifiable PRC statement saying:  "We bought SE equipment because _______."

Why did PRC upgrade the Interurbans with specially equipped PCCs?  Not unlike Mr.Swindler's question as to why any property purchased PCCs post war.

Still an interesting subject isn't it.


Phil



----- Original Message ----
> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:46:04 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: SE DE
> 
> And yet they said that very thing.  We just don't yet know why.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of Fred
> Schneider
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 6:46 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: SE DE
> 
> Sure they're needed.   Companies simply don't make decisions in a  
> vacuum.  They don't say, "Hey, from now on we're going to buy single- end
> cars."  They weigh all sorts of factors ... construction costs,  
> revenue gains and losses, real estate costs, political gains.   It is  
> all part of the story of Pittsburgh Railways in the teens and twenties and
> until you know why, you don't understand the company.
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> 
> On May 14, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
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> > Specifics aren't needed are they  --  4400s DE were purchased as well 
> > - folder is stored again so don't have dates available - small number.
> >
> > Why?       Why indeed!       More efficient operation with sE?
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> >
> > Phil
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> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Fred Schneider 
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org; Phillip Clark Campbell 
> >> 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:04:50 PM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: SE DE
> >>
> >> All except trippers went to Wilmerding.
> >>
> >> The 4700s were 1917 and delivered in 1918.   You forgot the 4420s.
> >>
> >> But you are still not addressing why?
> >>
> >> On May 14, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Another way to look at this is dates of equipment purchases isn't 
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>> 4000s & 4100s  --  SE High Floor  --  1910--1911
> >>>
> >>> 4200--4399  --  DE low floor  1914--1917
> >>>
> >>> 4700s thru 5500s -- SE low floor  --  1916--1926
> >>>
> >>> Seems that SE was the vehicle of choice by 1920, even earlier.
> >>>
> >>> DE equipment was used as needed but loops / wyes were constructed
> >>> on DE routes over time.       As DE equipment aged and loops / wyes
> >>> built the DE equipment was phased out.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Phil
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> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>> From: Phillip Clark Campbell
> >>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:17:36 PM
> >>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: SE DE
> >>>>
> >>>> To the List:   In 1928 PRC made its last purchase of equipment
> >>>> before the PCCs,
> >>>> the 15 St.Louis SE Interurbans.  Equipment purchases  'by PRC'
> >>>> were 72% SE;
> >>>> inherited equipment made up bulk of DE cars.  It would seem that 
> >>>> PRC made up its mind well before 1929 since by 1925 they had 
> >>>> purchased predominantly SE cars.
> >>>>
> >>>> Did all 87-Ardmore trips go to Wilmerding or did some turn in E.Pgh 
> >>>> on city street loops?  Yes - given that DE routes existed, 62 one 
> >>>> of them along with 99, 12,  (1,4,5 - not sure how/when these got 
> >>>> loops,)  29, 38A, Washington & Donora locals, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Phil
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>>> From: Fred Schneider
> >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:47:48 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [PRCo]
> >>>>>
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> >>>>> I think it just shows that by 1929 they had made the decision that 
> >>>>> single-end was better where it was possible to use them ... cost 
> >>>>> less to maintain and they seated about 13 more people in a 45' 
> >>>>> body.
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