[PRCo] Re: Streetcar Loops

[Fred Schneider]

Would not surprise me.   All the 3750s were assigned to Tunnel Car  
House.   Brookline always worked out of Tunnel.   While a 5000 or a  
5200 might have been more logical, if a 3750 was at the head of the  
line, it doesn't surprise me that it was sent there.

What always did bewilder me was that the 3750s, which were  
mechanically the same as a 5200 except perhaps for the gear ratio,  
were all at Tunnel.   Because 10 of them had left doors for route 23  
Sewickley, that meant that route 23 was the only west end line based  
at Tunnel.   Its short turn, 25 Island Avenue, worked out of Ingram.

That to me has as much logical as the people in Los Angeles who were  
segregating the truck parts for the different PCC cars.   Dave  
Garcia, who was involved for years at Orange Empire, eventually found  
a memo from the Shop Superintendent asking, "Why are you doing that?   
The trucks on all the PCC cars are identical."

On May 20, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:

> There are a series of photos at the UOP site showing track renewal  
> on Brookline, presumably between McNeilly and the junction north  
> but believe this is in the 1930s isn't it.  One photo shows a 3750  
> in service on Brookline.
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> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:31:16 AM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcar Loops
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>> Somewhere we have all the "track sketches" that show all the  
>> construction
>> work.  Maybe someone wants to make this a project?  There is an  
>> index, so
>> it's not totally thankless.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf  
>> Of Gray,
>> George
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:48 AM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcar Loops
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>> Thanks.  I always thought the web site version sounded a little  
>> strange.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf  
>> Of Fred
>> Schneider
>> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:31 PM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcar Loops
>>
>> Apparently the author of that item knows something that Pittsburgh
>> Railways didn't know.   The route cards in 1905 show that the line
>> came out West Liberty Avenue and up Brookline Blvd. and ended at
>> Queensboro Avenue.  Same in 1907.   Same in 1908.   Same in 1909.
>> Sorry about that George.
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>> The extension to Fairhaven and South Bank opened September 12, 1910
>> and closed November 1, 1910 for want of business.    These dates were
>> given previously by Ed Lybarger.
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>> The loop was opened April 5, 1926.   Same year the last of the low-
>> floor cars were delivered.
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>> Double-end low-floor cars were placed on this line October 6, 1915.
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>> That is the gospel according to Pittsburgh Railways' own records.
>> It is frustrating when people make up facts and publish them  
>> because you
>> never again get rid of the errors.
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>> On May 19, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Gray, George wrote:
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>>> The following extract from the Brookline community website implies
>>> that Brookline loop was completed in 1915.  No additional land
>>> purchase would have been necessary to build the loop.
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>>> In 1905 the Pittsburgh Railway System laid the first single track
>>> trolley line through Brookline. Service went from the Brookline
>>> Junction (West Liberty Avenue) down the length of Brookline  
>>> Boulevard,
>>> extending down through the wooded valley to Fairhaven, near the old
>>> Overbrook School at Saw Mill Run. This connected to the old  
>>> Charleroi
>>> rail line that ran along Saw Mill Run. (The tunnel near Overbrook
>>> School at the far eastern edge of Brookline was built for that first
>>> trolley line, and the brackets for the power lines are still there,
>>> over 100 years
>>> later!)
>>>
>>> This inaugural track was terminated at Edgebrook Avenue less than a
>>> year later. In 1909 work began on a double-track line that ran from
>>> the junction at West Liberty Avenue past Edgebrook and Breining
>>> Street. It terminated at a trolley loop near Witt Street on the
>>> eastern end of Brookline Boulevard. Work on the new line was  
>>> completed
>>> in 1915, when additional track was laid from the Brookline  
>>> junction up
>>> the remaining stretch of West Liberty Avenue to the city limit at
>>> Dormont Borough.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> George Gray
>>>
>>> Georgia Technology Authority
>>>
>>> 47 Trinity Avenue 1st Floor
>>>
>>> Atlanta, GA 30334
>>>
>>> 404-656-7327
>>>
>>>
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