[PRCo] Re: Streetcar Loops

[John Swindler]

Did Ingram have any m-u cars assigned?
 
Curious
John> From: fwschneider at comcast.net> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcar Loops> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:56:41 -0400> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > Would not surprise me. All the 3750s were assigned to Tunnel Car > House. Brookline always worked out of Tunnel. While a 5000 or a > 5200 might have been more logical, if a 3750 was at the head of the > line, it doesn't surprise me that it was sent there.> > What always did bewilder me was that the 3750s, which were > mechanically the same as a 5200 except perhaps for the gear ratio, > were all at Tunnel. Because 10 of them had left doors for route 23 > Sewickley, that meant that route 23 was the only west end line based > at Tunnel. Its short turn, 25 Island Avenue, worked out of Ingram.> > That to me has as much logical as the people in Los Angeles who were > segregating the truck parts for the different PCC cars. Dave > Garcia, who was involved for years at Orange Empire, eventually found > a memo from the Shop Superintendent asking, "Why are you doing that? > The trucks on all the PCC cars are identical."> > On May 20, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:> > > There are a series of photos at the UOP site showing track renewal > > on Brookline, presumably between McNeilly and the junction north > > but believe this is in the 1930s isn't it. One photo shows a 3750 > > in service on Brookline.> >> >> > Phil> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----> >> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:31:16 AM> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcar Loops> >>> >> Somewhere we have all the "track sketches" that show all the > >> construction> >> work. Maybe someone wants to make this a project? There is an > >> index, so> >> it's not totally thankless.> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf > >> Of Gray,> >> George> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:48 AM> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcar Loops> >>> >> Thanks. I always thought the web site version sounded a little > >> strange.> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf > >> Of Fred> >> Schneider> >> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:31 PM> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcar Loops> >>> >> Apparently the author of that item knows something that Pittsburgh> >> Railways didn't know. The route cards in 1905 show that the line> >> came out West Liberty Avenue and up Brookline Blvd. and ended at> >> Queensboro Avenue. Same in 1907. Same in 1908. Same in 1909.> >> Sorry about that George.> >>> >> The extension to Fairhaven and South Bank opened September 12, 1910> >> and closed November 1, 1910 for want of business. These dates were> >> given previously by Ed Lybarger.> >>> >> The loop was opened April 5, 1926. Same year the last of the low-> >> floor cars were delivered.> >>> >> Double-end low-floor cars were placed on this line October 6, 1915.> >>> >> That is the gospel according to Pittsburgh Railways' own records.> >> It is frustrating when people make up facts and publish them > >> because you> >> never again get rid of the errors.> >>> >>> >>> >> On May 19, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Gray, George wrote:> >>> >>> The following extract from the Brookline community website implies> >>> that Brookline loop was completed in 1915. No additional land> >>> purchase would have been necessary to build the loop.> >>>> >>>> >>> In 1905 the Pittsburgh Railway System laid the first single track> >>> trolley line through Brookline. Service went from the Brookline> >>> Junction (West Liberty Avenue) down the length of Brookline > >>> Boulevard,> >>> extending down through the wooded valley to Fairhaven, near the old> >>> Overbrook School at Saw Mill Run. This connected to the old > >>> Charleroi> >>> rail line that ran along Saw Mill Run. (The tunnel near Overbrook> >>> School at the far eastern edge of Brookline was built for that first> >>> trolley line, and the brackets for the power lines are still there,> >>> over 100 years> >>> later!)> >>>> >>> This inaugural track was terminated at Edgebrook Avenue less than a> >>> year later. In 1909 work began on a double-track line that ran from> >>> the junction at West Liberty Avenue past Edgebrook and Breining> >>> Street. It terminated at a trolley loop near Witt Street on the> >>> eastern end of Brookline Boulevard. Work on the new line was > >>> completed> >>> in 1915, when additional track was laid from the Brookline > >>> junction up> >>> the remaining stretch of West Liberty Avenue to the city limit at> >>> Dormont Borough.> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> George Gray> >>>> >>> Georgia Technology Authority> >>>> >>> 47 Trinity Avenue 1st Floor> >>>> >>> Atlanta, GA 30334> >>>> >>> 404-656-7327> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 
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