[PRCo] Re: More photos

[Edward H. Lybarger]

I once wrote a brief piece for a now-defunct publication (Locomotive &
Railway Preservation) that I titled "What's in a Picture."  The idea was to
encourage readers to look carefully at what's there so they could write
better captions.  But the same principle applies here.

The trick is in knowing what you're looking at, and the devil is in the
details, as they say.  My wife says I know more minutiae about more
non-everyday things than anyone else she's ever met...but I don't think I
hold a candle to a couple other people I know!

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of Phillip
Clark Campbell
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:13 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: More photos


Mr.Lybarger;


Great detail for one who claims he is not into this 'minutia;'  this is
highly informative isn't it.  I am not overly interested in coaches;  first
blush indicated this is a Pat bus thus a date of 1950 had to be wrong.
As I look more closely I wonder about the paint configuration on the dash;
did Pat do such?  I now see that this could be a private carrier in 1950.


Phil




> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 12:50:57 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: More photos
> 
> There are five things that I'm not buying...
> 
> 1.  The font used for the number is nowhere close to PAT's.
> 
> 2.  The vent above the destination signbox was rare in Western PA.  
> And local buses did not generally have a PITTSBURGH panel on the rollsign.
> 
> 3.  The turn signal is the expensive model; not generally found here.
> 
> 4.  The stripe is too dark to be PAT red.  If this were orthochromatic 
> film, I might say otherwise, but it's not.
> 
> And...
> 
> 5.  The state inspection sticker is on the right window.  Pennsylvania 
> had changed the location to the driver's windshield long before PAT 
> was on the scene.
> 
> What about other private operators such as P&W or Lincoln Coach?
> 
> I'm having dinner tonight with Barb and Ralph.  I'll show it to him.
> 
> Ed
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of 
> John Swindler
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 2:58 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: More photos
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Could not find a private operator with a TDH 4509/12 numbered 310, but 
> there was a Pgh Rys bus #310 which went into the PAT fleet.  This is 
> according to the Pittsburgh bus history site referenced elsewhere.
> 
> 
> 
> Some of the private operators adopted the PAT paint scheme, but not 
> sure if only 'new look' buses bought in early 1960s or also applied to 
> some of the 'old look' buses.  The original scheme had a green belt 
> rail, similar to Harrisburg Railways.  By the time PAT actually took 
> over, had changed to red.
> 
> 
> 
> I'd tend to suspect that this is a 1960s photo of ex PRC 310 in PAT
livery.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: trams2 at comcast.net
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: More photos
> > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:21:43 -0400
> > 
> > The date on the bus accident could well be correct. This is not the 
> > 1980 accident near Palm Garden. This is a private operator's bus 
> > #310...there's a research project for someone!
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Phillip Clark Campbell
> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:41 PM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] More photos
> > 
> > 
> > Quite a few very interesting photos; this could almost be a real 
> > estate diversion couldn't it:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/1601sHighWater - Location?
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/StreetFlood-1950 - Location?
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/NarrowBridge - Location?
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/Courthouse19520404 - Low bridge ahead, bus!
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/ForbesFlood-1950 - not a few photos show flooding.
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/OaklandFifthToEast - this is an incredibly 
> > beautiful aerial isn't it -- 1601, 17xx, ten or eleven, and one of 
> > those PCCs in the distance!
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/5thKaufmannConstruction - How would trolley 
> > service be rerouted?
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/17xx-71-5thDowntown-1950
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/PatBusCrash - Date is wrong by at least 14-years.
> > 
> > 
> > Phil