[PRCo] Re: Pa Trolley Museum on KDKA
John Bromley
johnfbromley at rogers.com
Sun Aug 23 15:54:55 EDT 2009
Is there a link to the source of this?
> From: Phillip Clark Campbell <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:08:55 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Pa Trolley Museum on KDKA
>
> Mr.Lybarger;
>
> Information I have indicates that 3807 was the first 38 to be
> scrapped at Ingram on Feb-26-1948; 3803 was the second
> a year later on 3-01-1949, about 20-year service life. The
> information does not state how long any car sits idle before
> scrapping.
>
> The listing does include some scrappings resulting from
> collisions or fire; here are some notable ones:
>
> 3702 and 3709 collided at Walther's causing a fire which
> apparently badly damaged both cars; 01-18-43 is the scrapping
> date for both. I do not know the date of the collision. Is this the
> incident where sanding broke signal contact giving the opposing
> car a green board? Walther stop seems much closer to Brookside
> than Cremona siding; thus I assume the northbound car used
> sand allowing the southbound car to enter the single track at
> Brookside.
>
> 3706 is listed as destroyed by fire without specific circumstances;
> scrapped 03-18-32.
>
> 3763 was destroyed by a fire at Tunnel on 03-27-42; again,
> specifics not given. She was scrapped by 'burning' whatever
> was left at Ingram on 04-15-42.
>
> All the 3600s were scrapped by burning at Castle Shannon except
> 3601 and 3607 at West Park and 3615 at Homewood, 05-11-25,
> the first 36 scrapping. 3619 followed on 12-14-25,
> 3611--3613 on 07-31-26 with 3616--3618 following on 08-02-26 and
> 3604 on 08-12-26. 3607 scrapped 05-05-27; all the rest in 1928.
>
> 4210 was in a collision in Castle Shannon and was apparently
> scrapped there 08-01-44. Notes also indicate she was
> converted for One-man operation 10-29-34. 4200--4222 were
> so converted (DE / OM) except 4201 and 4202; 4234, 4239,
> 4245, 4248 are the other cars so converted.
>
> 4236 is the car that 'ran-away' in the tunnel killing 21, injuring 80,
> on 12-24-17; she was scrapped on 01-11-40.
>
> 4318 caught fire 'on the road' and was scrapped 03-20-42.
>
> 4328 was damaged by a locomotive on 02-05-46; scrapped on
> 01-24-45, almost 1-year later.
>
> Orphan 4344 scrapped at Schoenville 06-06-52; never left the line.
>
> 4355 was badly damaged in a Washington collision 11-03-51;
> scrapped 04-03-52. 'Recent' relative to PRC history; any other
> information available?
>
> 4356 was damaged by fire at Tylerdale 11-03-51; scrapped 12-03-52.
>
> 4364 badly damaged in collision with 1410 Forest Hills, Ardmore
> Blvd. 08-15-44; scrapped 01-28-46. 1410 scrapped 08-16-66.
>
> 4390 destroyed in collision on charter 05-19-52; scrapped 10-23-52.
>
> 5077 destroyed by derailment Liberty Ave Hill (City Brewery involved;)
> scrapped 01-02-31.
>
> 5154 destroyed by fire 12-07-46 but not scrapped until 03-09-50.
>
> 1242 in collision with M283 Dawn Jct. 1960; scrapped 09-09-63.
>
> 1267 collides with 1400, Smithfield bridge 11-26-62.
>
> 1297 and 1299 involved in collisions on Ohio at Federal and Brighton
> respectively.
>
> 1629 collides with 1296; 1629 scrapped at Rankin 08-13-59 while
> 1296 lived out service life and scrapped 10-07-63.
>
>
> Interesting:
> ===========
>
> 4200 purchased 04-03-14; leased to Beaver 12-01-15, returned
> to PRC 5-17 (assume that is May-1917;) convert to DE-OM 07-26-33;
> scrapped 04-30-53. Interesting career.
>
> 4380 was 4400 until renumbering 09-20-26.
>
> 4389 had HL-29a control
>
> In July, August, and Oct of 1925 the following cars were shipped
> to Butler in this order:
> 4372, 4382, 4355, 4357, 4375, 4376, 4371, 4354, 4350,
> 4385, 4383, 4384, 4352, 4351
>
> 4405 converted to Instruction car with K-35 control one end, HL
> the other. Other notes indicate a K43c controller, straight air
> valve 'at the front end;' WH514PR motors.
>
> 3756 moved to the museum under its own power on 02-07-54;
> it is listed as 'sold to PERC' on 02-11-54.
>
>
>
>
> Phil
> Without a 'coast' but not a 'cause.'
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:58:22 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Pa Trolley Museum on KDKA
>
> 3807 was painted at least once and perhaps twice (I don't have the paint
> book in front of me). There is a photo of it in storage inside Homewood
> showing mid-'30s advertising in the windows. It ran.
>
> What I'd like to know is why it quit running, and when.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of Phillip
> Clark Campbell
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:16 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Pa Trolley Museum on KDKA
>
> From: bill937ca <bill937ca at yahoo.ca>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:20:56 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Fwd: Re: Pa Trolley Museum on KDKA
>
>> --- In LRPPro at yahoogroups.com,
>> Edson Tennyson <etennyson at ...> wrote:
>
>> IT WAS NOT THE BEST IN 1925.:
>> In that KDKA report they stated that the now old orange low fioor
>> 3756 car was the BEST of the art in 1925 for service on the Charleroi
>> and Washington lines.
>> ...they were lousy for that service,
>
> This is very well known, isn't it. It has been well documented before.
> Isn't it presumed that the 3800s were ordered because of the failure of the
> 3750s?
>
>> By 1928, they had been replaced by the 3800 series...
>> interurbans which were also lemons of a different flavor.
>> One car was so bad it never ran
>
> Didn't I see comments in the archives that this is false?
> Wouldn't the car cards refute this?
>
>> As a commuter on the Charleroi line 1947 to 1949,...
>
> Mr.Tennyson will also tell you there were three sidings on Overbrook in this
> time period when in fact there were only
> two: Bon Air and Smith. This did make for 3 single track sections though
> didn't it. The sidings at McKinley Park and Edgebrook were added upon
> abandonment of Charleroi and Washington.
>
> Like most of the rest of us Mr.Tennyson is aging which 'may' affect the
> memory on many items. Nevertheless, his experience with PRC is enviable.
>
>
>> E d T e n n y s o n
>
>
> Phil
> Without a 'coast' but not a 'cause.'
>
>
>> On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:26 PM, John Swindler wrote:
>> Pennsylvania trolley museum made KDKA news - On link below, click on
>> horsecar for video.
>> Dial up might have problems with video due to possible file size.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Subject: KDKA
>> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:56:43 -0400
>>
>> http://kdka.com/kdcountry/Pennsylvania.trolley.museum.2.1129569.html
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