[PRCo] Re: 3807

[Schneider Fred]

We know that the 1614, 1615, 1616, 1617, 1618, 1645, 1646, 1647, 1848  
(a total of 9 cars) were providing base service to Washington in  
1946-1948).    This probably resulted in the worst
3700s and 3800s being removed from service.   Hamley might be the one  
who knows which 3700s and 3800s went out of service.   Tunnel also  
had 1200s so they were probably working Castle Shannon at the time as  
were some 3750s and maybe some 5000s and 5400s and 4900s.  To the  
best of my knowledge, Charleroi did not get PCCs until 1949 and then  
it got 1700s.


On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:03 PM, John Swindler wrote:

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>> From: trams2 at comcast.net
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] 3807
>> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:18:13 -0400
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>> There was recently some discussion about PRCo 3807. For years  
>> stories have
>> circulated about how this car never ran in service, but the facts  
>> do not
>> appear to bear this out.
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>> Let's begin with the Charles Dengler note that accompanies the  
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>> photo of the car inside the Homewood Shops in November 1945:
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>> "We have been told that 3807 made a round trip on the Charleroi  
>> line, and
>> she came back 8 inches out of line (her body). Knowing PRCo track,  
>> this is
>> quite possible. St Louis Car Co. built 3800-3814 in 1928. St Louis  
>> Car Co
>> said they would not stock parts for the 3800s. PRCo then did not  
>> pay for
>> 3807, but kept her for parts, and the 3100, 3300 type trucks she  
>> sets [sic]
>> on, were used so that the original trucks could be spares for the  
>> other
>> 3800s, they had a long wheel base and 28" wheels."
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>> This is a story that a railfan could love. It has that mystique  
>> that sets
>> this car apart as really different. So what's wrong with it?
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>> First...St. Louis Car warranted its products against structural  
>> defects, ot
>> it wouldn't have sold any. Had there been such a problem in the  
>> beginning,
>> it would have been adjusted.
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>> Secondly...and most compelling to me...is the fact that 3807  
>> received a
>> complete #1 paint job on January 19, 1934, right on schedule for  
>> the series.
>> If it was damaged in 1928 and was never run (or paid for) in  
>> service, why
>> would it need new paint? The fact that the "Watch Car Turn"  
>> lettering has
>> been added to the rear of the car (it was not there originally, as
>> illustrated in Union Switch & Signal's photo C-26772 of car 3802  
>> when the
>> Washington signals were new) clearly implies that it was in  
>> service, as do
>> the Depression-era institutional advertising signs showing in the  
>> windows.
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>> So clearly the car was in service for at least five years and four  
>> months.
>> What happened after that is the $64 question.
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>> Ed
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