[PRCo] Re: 3807

[John Bromley]

I've seen a lot of photos and never a 1600 IN SERVICE on CHARLEROI - there
was a fantrip that ran down to at least Black Diamond Junction and probably
beyond, but I haven't seen any photos south of BD that I can recall.


> From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> Reply-To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:27:28 -0400
> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807
> 
> We know that the 1614, 1615, 1616, 1617, 1618, 1645, 1646, 1647, 1848
> (a total of 9 cars) were providing base service to Washington in
> 1946-1948).    This probably resulted in the worst
> 3700s and 3800s being removed from service.   Hamley might be the one
> who knows which 3700s and 3800s went out of service.   Tunnel also
> had 1200s so they were probably working Castle Shannon at the time as
> were some 3750s and maybe some 5000s and 5400s and 4900s.  To the
> best of my knowledge, Charleroi did not get PCCs until 1949 and then
> it got 1700s.
> 
> 
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:03 PM, John Swindler wrote:
> 
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>> Unfortunately there may not be a picture of front or other side to
>> see if there was accident damage.  This is post WWII.  Were 12s and
>> 16s being used on Overbrook lines at this date?  Maybe 3807 was
>> just the first to be phased out of service?????
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>>> From: trams2 at comcast.net
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>> Subject: [PRCo] 3807
>>> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:18:13 -0400
>>> 
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>>> There was recently some discussion about PRCo 3807. For years
>>> stories have
>>> circulated about how this car never ran in service, but the facts
>>> do not
>>> appear to bear this out.
>>> 
>>> Let's begin with the Charles Dengler note that accompanies the
>>> attached
>>> photo of the car inside the Homewood Shops in November 1945:
>>> 
>>> "We have been told that 3807 made a round trip on the Charleroi
>>> line, and
>>> she came back 8 inches out of line (her body). Knowing PRCo track,
>>> this is
>>> quite possible. St Louis Car Co. built 3800-3814 in 1928. St Louis
>>> Car Co
>>> said they would not stock parts for the 3800s. PRCo then did not
>>> pay for
>>> 3807, but kept her for parts, and the 3100, 3300 type trucks she
>>> sets [sic]
>>> on, were used so that the original trucks could be spares for the
>>> other
>>> 3800s, they had a long wheel base and 28" wheels."
>>> 
>>> This is a story that a railfan could love. It has that mystique
>>> that sets
>>> this car apart as really different. So what's wrong with it?
>>> 
>>> First...St. Louis Car warranted its products against structural
>>> defects, ot
>>> it wouldn't have sold any. Had there been such a problem in the
>>> beginning,
>>> it would have been adjusted.
>>> 
>>> Secondly...and most compelling to me...is the fact that 3807
>>> received a
>>> complete #1 paint job on January 19, 1934, right on schedule for
>>> the series.
>>> If it was damaged in 1928 and was never run (or paid for) in
>>> service, why
>>> would it need new paint? The fact that the "Watch Car Turn"
>>> lettering has
>>> been added to the rear of the car (it was not there originally, as
>>> illustrated in Union Switch & Signal's photo C-26772 of car 3802
>>> when the
>>> Washington signals were new) clearly implies that it was in
>>> service, as do
>>> the Depression-era institutional advertising signs showing in the
>>> windows.
>>> 
>>> So clearly the car was in service for at least five years and four
>>> months.
>>> What happened after that is the $64 question.
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 
>>> 
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