[PRCo] Re: 3807

[Edward H. Lybarger]

I published one in the calendar a couple years back of 1617 SB at Black
Diamond in regular service, signed Shannon-Charleroi.  I also have a couple
photos of 1600s stranded in the snow at Roscoe during the 1950
post-Thanksgiving event.  But they're scarce as hens' teeth, for sure. 

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From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of John
Bromley
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:22 PM
To: Pittsburgh Railways Group
Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807

I've seen a lot of photos and never a 1600 IN SERVICE on CHARLEROI - there
was a fantrip that ran down to at least Black Diamond Junction and probably
beyond, but I haven't seen any photos south of BD that I can recall.


> From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> Reply-To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:27:28 -0400
> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807
> 
> We know that the 1614, 1615, 1616, 1617, 1618, 1645, 1646, 1647, 1848 
> (a total of 9 cars) were providing base service to Washington in
> 1946-1948).    This probably resulted in the worst
> 3700s and 3800s being removed from service.   Hamley might be the one
> who knows which 3700s and 3800s went out of service.   Tunnel also
> had 1200s so they were probably working Castle Shannon at the time as 
> were some 3750s and maybe some 5000s and 5400s and 4900s.  To the best 
> of my knowledge, Charleroi did not get PCCs until 1949 and then it got 
> 1700s.
> 
> 
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:03 PM, John Swindler wrote:
> 
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>> Unfortunately there may not be a picture of front or other side to 
>> see if there was accident damage.  This is post WWII.  Were 12s and 
>> 16s being used on Overbrook lines at this date?  Maybe 3807 was just 
>> the first to be phased out of service?????
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>>> From: trams2 at comcast.net
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>> Subject: [PRCo] 3807
>>> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:18:13 -0400
>>> 
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>>> There was recently some discussion about PRCo 3807. For years 
>>> stories have circulated about how this car never ran in service, but 
>>> the facts do not appear to bear this out.
>>> 
>>> Let's begin with the Charles Dengler note that accompanies the 
>>> attached photo of the car inside the Homewood Shops in November 
>>> 1945:
>>> 
>>> "We have been told that 3807 made a round trip on the Charleroi 
>>> line, and she came back 8 inches out of line (her body). Knowing 
>>> PRCo track, this is quite possible. St Louis Car Co. built 3800-3814 
>>> in 1928. St Louis Car Co said they would not stock parts for the 
>>> 3800s. PRCo then did not pay for 3807, but kept her for parts, and 
>>> the 3100, 3300 type trucks she sets [sic] on, were used so that the 
>>> original trucks could be spares for the other 3800s, they had a long 
>>> wheel base and 28" wheels."
>>> 
>>> This is a story that a railfan could love. It has that mystique that 
>>> sets this car apart as really different. So what's wrong with it?
>>> 
>>> First...St. Louis Car warranted its products against structural 
>>> defects, ot it wouldn't have sold any. Had there been such a problem 
>>> in the beginning, it would have been adjusted.
>>> 
>>> Secondly...and most compelling to me...is the fact that 3807 
>>> received a complete #1 paint job on January 19, 1934, right on 
>>> schedule for the series.
>>> If it was damaged in 1928 and was never run (or paid for) in 
>>> service, why would it need new paint? The fact that the "Watch Car 
>>> Turn"
>>> lettering has
>>> been added to the rear of the car (it was not there originally, as 
>>> illustrated in Union Switch & Signal's photo C-26772 of car 3802 
>>> when the Washington signals were new) clearly implies that it was in 
>>> service, as do the Depression-era institutional advertising signs 
>>> showing in the windows.
>>> 
>>> So clearly the car was in service for at least five years and four 
>>> months.
>>> What happened after that is the $64 question.
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 
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