[PRCo] Re: The 4250 picture --question

[Schneider Fred]

Correct.   They are on West Penn 832 but not on 4250.       But look  
at the picture of 4250 in the link at the bottom of this message.    
They are not there.

It is a shame that you have no way of rescanning the picture and  
drawing a circle around what you are seeing so I can identify it.

Over the right side of the car, the body corner post at the left edge  
of the front door is the destination sign box.  On those cars all it  
was was the route number   You may or may not recall that route  
numbers for the lines coming into downtown were instituted March 1,  
1914, which was about the same time the 4200s were delivered.   The  
earliest low floor cars only had a number sign box and not a complete  
destination box.   for this car, as it is photographed, it would have  
had the BROWNSVILLE sign on the side (you entered at the center  
door), and the route number 46 displayed in the box on the roof.   I  
can also see the gong on the front of the roof.

The only other objects on the roof are the trolley poles, two fuse  
boxes and the lightning arrestors at the bases of the poles.

Earlier Pittsburgh cars, like 3487 at PTM, did have classification  
lamps light you described but not the low floor cars.


On Jan 4, 2009, at 10:27 AM, ROBERT R ROCKWELL wrote:

> These devices are mounted on the roof at each end diagonally. It  
> seems to me the WP cars have  a little larger ones than on this Pgh  
> car.
> Look directly above the door on WP 832.
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> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/12%20WP-832% 
> 203756%20M1%20OB%20Castle%20Shannon%2019540207% 
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> 12%20WP-832%203756%20M1%20OB%20Castle%20Shannon%2019540207% 
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> Robert Rockwell
> w3syt1 at msn.com<mailto:w3syt1 at msn.com>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Schneider Fred<mailto:fwschneider at comcast.net>
>   To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org<mailto:pittsburgh- 
> railways at dementia.org>
>   Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:43 PM
>   Subject: [PRCo] Re: The 4250 picture --question
>
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>   Bob:
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>   I cannot see two lenses on the right end of the car.
>
>   There is only a headlight lens down on the dasher.
>
>   Are you perhaps mistaking the trolley rope catcher mounted up on the
>   window post for the other lens?
>
>   Fred
>
>
>   On Jan 3, 2009, at 12:14 PM, ROBERT R ROCKWELL wrote:
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>> You can see two of the lenses on the right end of the 4250 pix.
>> They appear
>> less obvious than the ones on West Penn cars.
>>
>> I saw an HO gauge caboose marker advertised that might fit nicely,
>> but,
>> simple switch lantern red/green would be the wrong combination. I
>> need to
>> inquire about the advertised marker's colors and  arrangement.
>>
>>
>> Robert Rockwell
>> w3syt1 at msn.com<mailto:w3syt1 at msn.com>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Schneider Fred"  
>> <fwschneider at comcast.net<mailto:fwschneider at comcast.net>>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org<mailto:pittsburgh- 
>> railways at dementia.org>>
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:18 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: The 4250 picture --question
>>
>>
>>> Where is it?   I have never see it on those Pittsburgh 4200s.
>>>
>>> West Penn used red and green.   I forget which color was displayed
>>> right and left but the motorman knew ... you knew if you were about
>>> to have a head-on collision or were following a car by which color
>>> was in which position.
>>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2009, at 3:47 PM, ROBERT R ROCKWELL wrote:
>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/8w9k38<http://tinyurl.com/8w9k38>
>>>>>
>>>> These old cars like the WP cars have switch lantern type rotating
>>>> marker/taillights. How were the 4 lenses arranged ? Colors ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert Rockwell
>>>> w3syt1 at msn.com<mailto:w3syt1 at msn.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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