[PRCo] Re: Car 1600

Fri Jul 17 18:47:12 EDT 2009

I knew it ran out of a huge variety of barns but this is  
incredible ... the only city barn it didn't occupy was Bunkerhill.

On Jul 17, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:

> Here's what the assignment ledger says about car 1600:
>
> 9-5-45		Shop
> 9-18-45		Craft
> 3-4-47		Shop
> 3-6-47		Keating
> 5-5-47		Shop
> 5-22-47		Millvale
> 6-8-47		Shop
> 6-11-47		Ingram
> 9-3-47		Shop
> 9-5-47		Ingram
> 9-8-47		Tunnel
> 11-4-47		Manchester
> 11-29-47	Carrick
> 2-24-48		Plummer Street
> 3-1-48		Homewood
> 5-18-48		Glenwood
> 7-12-48		Herron Hill
> 11-1-48		Craft
> 5-18-55		Damaged in Homewood Fire
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of  
> Edward
> H. Lybarger
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:35 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
>
> Why don't we see if the car assignment book will tell us anything?   
> I won't
> be in the library until Friday but will try to look then.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
> Schneider Fred
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:13 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
>
> You are saying it was short term for public exposure.
>
> I did not.
>
> I said it probably floated around the system as people got tired of
> an odd ball.    May have had nothing to do with exposure.   Please
> show me all the dates to support your contention.
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:21 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
>
>> Mr.Schneider;
>>
>> I did not quote you to refute you;  I quoted to confirm.
>> I didn't say anything different than what you said.
>> You often misrepresent what is written don't you.
>>
>> The car was 'basically' based at Craft;  she was based at other barns
>> 'short term' for public exposure to the newtrolleycar.
>>
>> Good grief!
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>>
>>  Phil
>> Without  a   'coast'   but  not  a   'cause.'
>> --  -- --  -- --  --  --  -- --  -- --  --
>> --  -- --  -- --  --  --  -- --  -- --  -- "The  Bible  is  the   
>> rock 
>> on which  this  Republic  rests."
>>
>> ........Andrew Jackson,
>> ........7th President, U.S.A.
>>
>> http://www.eadshome.com/Andrew%20Jackson.htm
>>
>> http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/andy.html
>>
>>
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>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Schneider Fred <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:19:43 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
>>
>> You, Philip, are quoting what I was told then to refute what I know
>> now.   I explained several days ago that it also worked out of Tunnel
>> and Homewood and possibly Herron Hill or Manchester.   The pictures
>> Bill Vigrass pictures you have posted serve only to confirm that it
>> also was assigned to Tunnel Car House.
>>
>> Logically, the only routes it would not have worked on were the
>> Ingram, Keating or Millvale lines because they were General Electric
>> barns.   Their mechanics would have been unfamiliar with maintaining
>> a Westinghouse accelerator if it developed a problem.   And even
>> then, my perceived rule was broken when it was assigned to route 22
>> CROSSTOWN.   That same imaginary rule was waived when 1700 was
>> assigned to route 22 before the HB lifeguard was removed and the
>> interurban appurtenances were applied in 1949.
>>
>> If every author waited for the last survivor of the civil war to die
>> so that no one could argue with what he wrote," there would no books
>> out the civil war to read before the 1970s.   The same applies to
>> trolleys.   It isn't always necessary to quote what an author wrote
>> 30 years before in a book when more better information has since
>> become available.   I do take pride in my work on those two books,
>> however, and for the most part they have stood the test of time.
>> But like every book, there are flaws in them.
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent point Mr.McGuire;  the railway is known to show off its
>>> equipment to attract riders.
>>> Quoting more of the photo caption on pg.172 of the 2nd PCC book:
>>> "The car [1600] was used on any line based at Craft Ave. Car House."
>>> Car 1600 was 'possibly' based at a number of barns for demonstration
>>> purposes.  These photos show the car on the 48 and at SHJ:
>>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/bvp007.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/bvp008.htm
>>>
>>> I have seen the photo of 1600 on the 22 offered on ebay.
>>>
>>> Here's a couple at Craft:
>>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp104.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp105.htm
>>>
>>> We know that interurban 1700 was used in demonstration on the
>>> 22-Crosstown don't we.  The pilot was replaced with a lifeguard for
>>> this demo wasn't it.  This has led some to incorrectly speculate  
>>> that
>>> 1700 was delivered as a city car and converted for interurban use by
>>> PRC.
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil
>>> Without  a   'coast'   but  not  a   'cause.'
>>> --  -- --  -- --  --
>>> "The  Bible  is  the  rock  on
>>> which  this  Republic  rests."
>>>
>>> ........Andrew Jackson,
>>> ........7th President, U.S.A.
>>>
>>> http://www.eadshome.com/Andrew%20Jackson.htm
>>>
>>> http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/andy.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Mark McGuire <macmarka at netzero.net>
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:23:15 PM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
>>>
>>> That's why I simply had mine with "CAR HOUSE" on the dest. sign. I
>>> suspect PRCo probably wanted to see how it ran on certain routes.
>>> More than that, I'd say they may have wanted to show it off. If you
>>> look at that Bromley photo, the car looks pretty new. What better
>>> route to show off a car than on 22.
>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>> From: Schneider Fred <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
>>> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:24:02 -0400
>>>
>>> All sorts of places, Ken.  I had my St. Petersburg model painted for
>>> 76 Hamilton which matches one of the pictures in the Westinghouse
>>> advertising book.   I know it worked out of Homewood in the  
>>> beginning
>>> and it was there at the end ... or it was there for work at the
>>> end.   Bromley has a picture of it on 22 CROSSTOWN ... that suggests
>>> it was assigned either to Herron Hill or Manchester for a while.
>>> I've seen pictures of it at Kennywood on route 68 ... guess it must
>>> have been at Craft for a while.   And I've seen pictures of it
>>> working on the Sousside.    Suspect it migrated around every time a
>>> carbarn foreman got tired of it.
>>>
>>> Was it a bad car?  Not really.   Not any different from a Johnstown
>>> car.   After they quit running the guts were incorporated into new
>>> cars in Brussels and those were still around when I rode them in the
>>> 1980s.   It is simply that every time you inflict a single oddball
>>> vehicle on a repair shop or a motorman, most would rather see you
>>> give it to some other shop or motorman.    Human nature.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Ken and Tracie wrote:
>>>
>>>> So where did one-of-a-kind all electric car 1600 see the most
>>>> service? Was it being serviced or just mothballed when it was
>>>> destroyed by fire?
>>>>
>>>> K.
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