[PRCo] Re: Car 1600

Sat Jul 18 08:37:03 EDT 2009

But it preferred the company of the other Westinghouse cars at Craft.  The 'traveling' days were over with the 1700 order.

> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:47:12 -0400
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> 
> I knew it ran out of a huge variety of barns but this is 
> incredible ... the only city barn it didn't occupy was Bunkerhill.
> 
> On Jul 17, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
> 
> > Here's what the assignment ledger says about car 1600:
> >
> > 9-5-45 Shop
> > 9-18-45 Craft
> > 3-4-47 Shop
> > 3-6-47 Keating
> > 5-5-47 Shop
> > 5-22-47 Millvale
> > 6-8-47 Shop
> > 6-11-47 Ingram
> > 9-3-47 Shop
> > 9-5-47 Ingram
> > 9-8-47 Tunnel
> > 11-4-47 Manchester
> > 11-29-47 Carrick
> > 2-24-48 Plummer Street
> > 3-1-48 Homewood
> > 5-18-48 Glenwood
> > 7-12-48 Herron Hill
> > 11-1-48 Craft
> > 5-18-55 Damaged in Homewood Fire
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Edward
> > H. Lybarger
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:35 PM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
> >
> > Why don't we see if the car assignment book will tell us anything? 
> > I won't
> > be in the library until Friday but will try to look then.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
> > Schneider Fred
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:13 PM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
> >
> > You are saying it was short term for public exposure.
> >
> > I did not.
> >
> > I said it probably floated around the system as people got tired of
> > an odd ball. May have had nothing to do with exposure. Please
> > show me all the dates to support your contention.
> >
> >
> > On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:21 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
> >
> >> Mr.Schneider;
> >>
> >> I did not quote you to refute you; I quoted to confirm.
> >> I didn't say anything different than what you said.
> >> You often misrepresent what is written don't you.
> >>
> >> The car was 'basically' based at Craft; she was based at other barns
> >> 'short term' for public exposure to the newtrolleycar.
> >>
> >> Good grief!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Phil
> >> Without a 'coast' but not a 'cause.'
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "The Bible is the 
> >> rock 
> >> on which this Republic rests."
> >>
> >> ........Andrew Jackson,
> >> ........7th President, U.S.A.
> >>
> >> http://www.eadshome.com/Andrew%20Jackson.htm
> >>
> >> http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/andy.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Schneider Fred <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:19:43 PM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
> >>
> >> You, Philip, are quoting what I was told then to refute what I know
> >> now. I explained several days ago that it also worked out of Tunnel
> >> and Homewood and possibly Herron Hill or Manchester. The pictures
> >> Bill Vigrass pictures you have posted serve only to confirm that it
> >> also was assigned to Tunnel Car House.
> >>
> >> Logically, the only routes it would not have worked on were the
> >> Ingram, Keating or Millvale lines because they were General Electric
> >> barns. Their mechanics would have been unfamiliar with maintaining
> >> a Westinghouse accelerator if it developed a problem. And even
> >> then, my perceived rule was broken when it was assigned to route 22
> >> CROSSTOWN. That same imaginary rule was waived when 1700 was
> >> assigned to route 22 before the HB lifeguard was removed and the
> >> interurban appurtenances were applied in 1949.
> >>
> >> If every author waited for the last survivor of the civil war to die
> >> so that no one could argue with what he wrote," there would no books
> >> out the civil war to read before the 1970s. The same applies to
> >> trolleys. It isn't always necessary to quote what an author wrote
> >> 30 years before in a book when more better information has since
> >> become available. I do take pride in my work on those two books,
> >> however, and for the most part they have stood the test of time.
> >> But like every book, there are flaws in them.
> >>
> >> On Jul 14, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
> >>
> >>> Excellent point Mr.McGuire; the railway is known to show off its
> >>> equipment to attract riders.
> >>> Quoting more of the photo caption on pg.172 of the 2nd PCC book:
> >>> "The car [1600] was used on any line based at Craft Ave. Car House."
> >>> Car 1600 was 'possibly' based at a number of barns for demonstration
> >>> purposes. These photos show the car on the 48 and at SHJ:
> >>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/bvp007.htm
> >>>
> >>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/bvp008.htm
> >>>
> >>> I have seen the photo of 1600 on the 22 offered on ebay.
> >>>
> >>> Here's a couple at Craft:
> >>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp104.htm
> >>>
> >>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp105.htm
> >>>
> >>> We know that interurban 1700 was used in demonstration on the
> >>> 22-Crosstown don't we. The pilot was replaced with a lifeguard for
> >>> this demo wasn't it. This has led some to incorrectly speculate 
> >>> that
> >>> 1700 was delivered as a city car and converted for interurban use by
> >>> PRC.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Phil
> >>> Without a 'coast' but not a 'cause.'
> >>> -- -- -- -- -- --
> >>> "The Bible is the rock on
> >>> which this Republic rests."
> >>>
> >>> ........Andrew Jackson,
> >>> ........7th President, U.S.A.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.eadshome.com/Andrew%20Jackson.htm
> >>>
> >>> http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/andy.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Mark McGuire <macmarka at netzero.net>
> >>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:23:15 PM
> >>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
> >>>
> >>> That's why I simply had mine with "CAR HOUSE" on the dest. sign. I
> >>> suspect PRCo probably wanted to see how it ran on certain routes.
> >>> More than that, I'd say they may have wanted to show it off. If you
> >>> look at that Bromley photo, the car looks pretty new. What better
> >>> route to show off a car than on 22.
> >>> ---------- Original Message ----------
> >>> From: Schneider Fred <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> >>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
> >>> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:24:02 -0400
> >>>
> >>> All sorts of places, Ken. I had my St. Petersburg model painted for
> >>> 76 Hamilton which matches one of the pictures in the Westinghouse
> >>> advertising book. I know it worked out of Homewood in the 
> >>> beginning
> >>> and it was there at the end ... or it was there for work at the
> >>> end. Bromley has a picture of it on 22 CROSSTOWN ... that suggests
> >>> it was assigned either to Herron Hill or Manchester for a while.
> >>> I've seen pictures of it at Kennywood on route 68 ... guess it must
> >>> have been at Craft for a while. And I've seen pictures of it
> >>> working on the Sousside. Suspect it migrated around every time a
> >>> carbarn foreman got tired of it.
> >>>
> >>> Was it a bad car? Not really. Not any different from a Johnstown
> >>> car. After they quit running the guts were incorporated into new
> >>> cars in Brussels and those were still around when I rode them in the
> >>> 1980s. It is simply that every time you inflict a single oddball
> >>> vehicle on a repair shop or a motorman, most would rather see you
> >>> give it to some other shop or motorman. Human nature.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Ken and Tracie wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So where did one-of-a-kind all electric car 1600 see the most
> >>>> service? Was it being serviced or just mothballed when it was
> >>>> destroyed by fire?
> >>>>
> >>>> K.
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