[PRCo] Re: Car 1600

Sat Jul 18 19:57:15 EDT 2009

There was a Westinghouse book on the car that had some interiors.

On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Herb Brannon wrote:

> Do any detailed photos exist of the operators area and control  
> consol of
> 1600? It would be interesting to see if it was different than the 1700
> series..
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:37 AM, John Swindler  
> <j_swindler at hotmail.com>wrote:
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>> But it preferred the company of the other Westinghouse cars at  
>> Craft.  The
>> 'traveling' days were over with the 1700 order.
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>>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
>>> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:47:12 -0400
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>
>>> I knew it ran out of a huge variety of barns but this is
>>> incredible ... the only city barn it didn't occupy was Bunkerhill.
>>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's what the assignment ledger says about car 1600:
>>>>
>>>> 9-5-45 Shop
>>>> 9-18-45 Craft
>>>> 3-4-47 Shop
>>>> 3-6-47 Keating
>>>> 5-5-47 Shop
>>>> 5-22-47 Millvale
>>>> 6-8-47 Shop
>>>> 6-11-47 Ingram
>>>> 9-3-47 Shop
>>>> 9-5-47 Ingram
>>>> 9-8-47 Tunnel
>>>> 11-4-47 Manchester
>>>> 11-29-47 Carrick
>>>> 2-24-48 Plummer Street
>>>> 3-1-48 Homewood
>>>> 5-18-48 Glenwood
>>>> 7-12-48 Herron Hill
>>>> 11-1-48 Craft
>>>> 5-18-55 Damaged in Homewood Fire
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Edward
>>>> H. Lybarger
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:35 PM
>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
>>>>
>>>> Why don't we see if the car assignment book will tell us anything?
>>>> I won't
>>>> be in the library until Friday but will try to look then.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Schneider Fred
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:13 PM
>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
>>>>
>>>> You are saying it was short term for public exposure.
>>>>
>>>> I did not.
>>>>
>>>> I said it probably floated around the system as people got tired of
>>>> an odd ball. May have had nothing to do with exposure. Please
>>>> show me all the dates to support your contention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 11:21 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mr.Schneider;
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not quote you to refute you; I quoted to confirm.
>>>>> I didn't say anything different than what you said.
>>>>> You often misrepresent what is written don't you.
>>>>>
>>>>> The car was 'basically' based at Craft; she was based at other  
>>>>> barns
>>>>> 'short term' for public exposure to the newtrolleycar.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good grief!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil
>>>>> Without a 'coast' but not a 'cause.'
>>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "The Bible is the
>>>>> rock
>>>>> on which this Republic rests."
>>>>>
>>>>> ........Andrew Jackson,
>>>>> ........7th President, U.S.A.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.eadshome.com/Andrew%20Jackson.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/andy.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Schneider Fred <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:19:43 PM
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
>>>>>
>>>>> You, Philip, are quoting what I was told then to refute what I  
>>>>> know
>>>>> now. I explained several days ago that it also worked out of  
>>>>> Tunnel
>>>>> and Homewood and possibly Herron Hill or Manchester. The pictures
>>>>> Bill Vigrass pictures you have posted serve only to confirm  
>>>>> that it
>>>>> also was assigned to Tunnel Car House.
>>>>>
>>>>> Logically, the only routes it would not have worked on were the
>>>>> Ingram, Keating or Millvale lines because they were General  
>>>>> Electric
>>>>> barns. Their mechanics would have been unfamiliar with maintaining
>>>>> a Westinghouse accelerator if it developed a problem. And even
>>>>> then, my perceived rule was broken when it was assigned to  
>>>>> route 22
>>>>> CROSSTOWN. That same imaginary rule was waived when 1700 was
>>>>> assigned to route 22 before the HB lifeguard was removed and the
>>>>> interurban appurtenances were applied in 1949.
>>>>>
>>>>> If every author waited for the last survivor of the civil war  
>>>>> to die
>>>>> so that no one could argue with what he wrote," there would no  
>>>>> books
>>>>> out the civil war to read before the 1970s. The same applies to
>>>>> trolleys. It isn't always necessary to quote what an author wrote
>>>>> 30 years before in a book when more better information has since
>>>>> become available. I do take pride in my work on those two books,
>>>>> however, and for the most part they have stood the test of time.
>>>>> But like every book, there are flaws in them.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Excellent point Mr.McGuire; the railway is known to show off its
>>>>>> equipment to attract riders.
>>>>>> Quoting more of the photo caption on pg.172 of the 2nd PCC book:
>>>>>> "The car [1600] was used on any line based at Craft Ave. Car  
>>>>>> House."
>>>>>> Car 1600 was 'possibly' based at a number of barns for  
>>>>>> demonstration
>>>>>> purposes. These photos show the car on the 48 and at SHJ:
>>>>>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/bvp007.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/bvp008.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have seen the photo of 1600 on the 22 offered on ebay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a couple at Craft:
>>>>>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp104.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.davesrailpix.com/pitts/htm/wvp105.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We know that interurban 1700 was used in demonstration on the
>>>>>> 22-Crosstown don't we. The pilot was replaced with a lifeguard  
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> this demo wasn't it. This has led some to incorrectly speculate
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> 1700 was delivered as a city car and converted for interurban  
>>>>>> use by
>>>>>> PRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>> Without a 'coast' but not a 'cause.'
>>>>>> -- -- -- -- -- --
>>>>>> "The Bible is the rock on
>>>>>> which this Republic rests."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ........Andrew Jackson,
>>>>>> ........7th President, U.S.A.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.eadshome.com/Andrew%20Jackson.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/andy.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Mark McGuire <macmarka at netzero.net>
>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:23:15 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why I simply had mine with "CAR HOUSE" on the dest.  
>>>>>> sign. I
>>>>>> suspect PRCo probably wanted to see how it ran on certain routes.
>>>>>> More than that, I'd say they may have wanted to show it off.  
>>>>>> If you
>>>>>> look at that Bromley photo, the car looks pretty new. What better
>>>>>> route to show off a car than on 22.
>>>>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>>>>> From: Schneider Fred <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Car 1600
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:24:02 -0400
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All sorts of places, Ken. I had my St. Petersburg model  
>>>>>> painted for
>>>>>> 76 Hamilton which matches one of the pictures in the Westinghouse
>>>>>> advertising book. I know it worked out of Homewood in the
>>>>>> beginning
>>>>>> and it was there at the end ... or it was there for work at the
>>>>>> end. Bromley has a picture of it on 22 CROSSTOWN ... that  
>>>>>> suggests
>>>>>> it was assigned either to Herron Hill or Manchester for a while.
>>>>>> I've seen pictures of it at Kennywood on route 68 ... guess it  
>>>>>> must
>>>>>> have been at Craft for a while. And I've seen pictures of it
>>>>>> working on the Sousside. Suspect it migrated around every time a
>>>>>> carbarn foreman got tired of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was it a bad car? Not really. Not any different from a Johnstown
>>>>>> car. After they quit running the guts were incorporated into new
>>>>>> cars in Brussels and those were still around when I rode them  
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> 1980s. It is simply that every time you inflict a single oddball
>>>>>> vehicle on a repair shop or a motorman, most would rather see you
>>>>>> give it to some other shop or motorman. Human nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Ken and Tracie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So where did one-of-a-kind all electric car 1600 see the most
>>>>>>> service? Was it being serviced or just mothballed when it was
>>>>>>> destroyed by fire?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> K.
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