[PRCo] Re: Interesting Item On PTM Website

[Bob Rathke]

I'm assuming that PTM has to have a good rationale for the "church bulletin 
discount", but - constitutional and religious issues aside  - it just seems 
like a dumb idea. Without proof of age, it's like telling people that they 
get a discount if they show a bubble gum wrapper.

Why not just ask guests for their government-issue ID - if they are over age 
65, they have a Medicare card.  Many seniors have a driver's license? Don't 
have a drivers license?:

In Illinois the state issues free photo ID cards to people over 65 on 
request.  They look like a driver's license, but don't say "Driver's 
License".  These cards are accepted as government-issue ID at airports and 
TSA security check-in.

Bob 5/31/09


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Interesting Item On PTM Website


> Do you think it is fair to allow only senior citizens with a church 
> bulletin
> to receive the discount? That is subject here, not religious freedom. A
> simple ID check, if PTM officials (and they can get "official" at times) 
> do
> not believe the age of the person wishing the discount, is all that is
> necessary.
> One should always look all the way to the end of my posts. I include items
> in that area which could be deemed, "interesting",
> "outlandish", "informational", "educational", "thought provoking", "anger
> producing", and "outrageous", only to name a few. I usually do this at the
> end of my posts. The items included there are not necessarily my point of
> view, however, are placed there to make people "think". Remember that
> process called "thinking"? You do not see much of that these days.
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> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell 
> <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
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>> Mr.Cramer;
>>
>>
>> I don't understand people  'choosing'  to take offense at this.
>> 'Maybe'  it is a way to boost attendance on Sunday at PTM
>> by attracting those known to be out.  It is entirely too easy
>> to read something into this isn't it.  Please remember the
>> Constitution says freedom  'of'  religion,  not  'from.'
>> This country was established to practice freedom  'of'
>> religion which was denied in England.  Today it seems
>> America has become the England of the 1600s.
>>
>> One could claim  'offense'  at offering a discount to those
>> who present movie stubs couldn't they.  This is 'Secular
>> Humanism.'  Would there be objections if PTM offered
>> a discount from those who presented validation of attendance
>> at the local tavern?  Odds say that not one person would
>> object would they;  indeed, drinking and drunkeness is
>> smiled on approvingly isn't it.  Beer probably flows freely at the
>> Fairgrounds in which PTM participates.  Mention a church,
>> a very big part of American heritage, and people take up
>> arms.  Our priorities are all out of order aren't they.
>>
>> I doubt it can be claimed this discount is supported through
>> dues which are hardly a drop in a bucket compared to the
>> whole budget.
>>
>> Mr.Brannon:  your post was amusing but in all honesty I
>> didn't read your signature line until you mentioned it.  The
>> post itself and the 'name' is all I noticed.
>>
>>
>> Phil
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>>
>> > ----- Original Message ----
>> > From: Dennis Fred Cramer <trombone at windstream.net>
>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>  > Cc: Scott Becker <sbecker at pa-trolley.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:37:11 AM
>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Interesting Item On PTM Website
>> >
>> > I am offended that the museum has chosen to offer discounts
>> > to those who bring a church bulletin.
>> >
>> >
>> > Dennis F. Cramer
>> >       Trombone
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> -- 
> Herb Brannon
> On America's North Coast
> Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present
> are certain to miss the future.
>
> John F. Kennedy, 1961
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