[PRCo] Re: Interesting Item On PTM Website

[John Swindler]

Pennsylvania also issues photo identification cards that are not driver's license.

 

Medicare cards are also issued to persons under age 65.  It is not a proof of age card, and it includes the social security number.  Best to be kept in a safe place.

 

Could have also asked for a Senior Citizen Transit Identification Card.  At least it would be transit related, and unlike Illinois, there is no state residency requirement in Pennsylvania.  Upper Merion Twp. issued a state senior transit id card to a senior that used a passport from India as proof of age.  It was valid under Pa law.

 

Suspect PTM was looking for a 'hook' to entice visitors, and this list is debating the 'law of unintended consequences.'  From a practical standpoint, you don't argue with the customer.

 

Cheers

John

 

 


 
> From: bobrathke at comcast.net
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Interesting Item On PTM Website
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:15:42 -0500
> 
> I'm assuming that PTM has to have a good rationale for the "church bulletin 
> discount", but - constitutional and religious issues aside - it just seems 
> like a dumb idea. Without proof of age, it's like telling people that they 
> get a discount if they show a bubble gum wrapper.
> 
> Why not just ask guests for their government-issue ID - if they are over age 
> 65, they have a Medicare card. Many seniors have a driver's license? Don't 
> have a drivers license?:
> 
> In Illinois the state issues free photo ID cards to people over 65 on 
> request. They look like a driver's license, but don't say "Driver's 
> License". These cards are accepted as government-issue ID at airports and 
> TSA security check-in.
> 
> Bob 5/31/09
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 5:25 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Interesting Item On PTM Website
> 
> 
> > Do you think it is fair to allow only senior citizens with a church 
> > bulletin
> > to receive the discount? That is subject here, not religious freedom. A
> > simple ID check, if PTM officials (and they can get "official" at times) 
> > do
> > not believe the age of the person wishing the discount, is all that is
> > necessary.
> > One should always look all the way to the end of my posts. I include items
> > in that area which could be deemed, "interesting",
> > "outlandish", "informational", "educational", "thought provoking", "anger
> > producing", and "outrageous", only to name a few. I usually do this at the
> > end of my posts. The items included there are not necessarily my point of
> > view, however, are placed there to make people "think". Remember that
> > process called "thinking"? You do not see much of that these days.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell 
> > <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Mr.Cramer;
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't understand people 'choosing' to take offense at this.
> >> 'Maybe' it is a way to boost attendance on Sunday at PTM
> >> by attracting those known to be out. It is entirely too easy
> >> to read something into this isn't it. Please remember the
> >> Constitution says freedom 'of' religion, not 'from.'
> >> This country was established to practice freedom 'of'
> >> religion which was denied in England. Today it seems
> >> America has become the England of the 1600s.
> >>
> >> One could claim 'offense' at offering a discount to those
> >> who present movie stubs couldn't they. This is 'Secular
> >> Humanism.' Would there be objections if PTM offered
> >> a discount from those who presented validation of attendance
> >> at the local tavern? Odds say that not one person would
> >> object would they; indeed, drinking and drunkeness is
> >> smiled on approvingly isn't it. Beer probably flows freely at the
> >> Fairgrounds in which PTM participates. Mention a church,
> >> a very big part of American heritage, and people take up
> >> arms. Our priorities are all out of order aren't they.
> >>
> >> I doubt it can be claimed this discount is supported through
> >> dues which are hardly a drop in a bucket compared to the
> >> whole budget.
> >>
> >> Mr.Brannon: your post was amusing but in all honesty I
> >> didn't read your signature line until you mentioned it. The
> >> post itself and the 'name' is all I noticed.
> >>
> >>
> >> Phil
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> > From: Dennis Fred Cramer <trombone at windstream.net>
> >> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> > Cc: Scott Becker <sbecker at pa-trolley.org>
> >> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:37:11 AM
> >> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Interesting Item On PTM Website
> >> >
> >> > I am offended that the museum has chosen to offer discounts
> >> > to those who bring a church bulletin.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dennis F. Cramer
> >> > Trombone
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Herb Brannon
> > On America's North Coast
> > Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present
> > are certain to miss the future.
> >
> > John F. Kennedy, 1961
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 

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