[PRCo] Re: Portland Green Line

[Phillip Clark Campbell]

Mr.Allman;

The point I made which hasn't been addressed is the
side impact issue isn't it.  After such a collision there
shall be more people come under the ADA law won't
there.  Portland and other cities had wayside lifts to
board wheelchairs;  whether or not it is less expensive
to outfit each vehicle is lost on me.  I would suspect
it is not less expensive but since tax dollars pay the
cost then the sky is the limit.  Yes, they look goofy.
I am not enamored with the Siemens equipment;
ride quality is poor.  This has been stated on this list
before.

I don't see a difference in schedules because of these
low cars.

I still prefer the high floor section of the vehicle - for safety;
in America I am allowed my preference regardless of
what individuals might say.  I am not saying this to the
exclusion of anyone else;  it is noted above that
alternatives for inclusion exist / abound.

I am suspicious of those who argue a cause after the
fact;  quite often that opinion was 180-degrees opposite
before the law took hold.  This is a time tested observation
by many isn't it.

Country doctor sounds very appealing;  income may be just
the opposite.  This is a term that almost disappeared isn't
it.  You probably have a degree of satisfaction from a job
well done that many of us don't experience.  While health
care is an item now I still believe we have excellent
resources and quite possibly the best health care in the
world.  Any number of friends have told me of miraculous
cures.  Fortunately I just deal with minor aches and pains,
so far.  Health care in the U.S.A. seems to be an
under-appreciated asset doesn't it.


 Phil
Without  a   'coast'   but  not  a   'cause.'





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From: richard allman <allmanr at verizon.net>
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:56:22 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Fw: Re: Portland Green Line

Phil-taste cannot be argued but a couple observations:
the Tri Met Type 3 cars( I think!) are a bit goofy looking but
are functional beyond belief re: efficient boarding/
unboarding and ride quality. The new Siemens' cars I 
just happen to like a whole lot-became totally enamored of 
the design in San Diego 2-1/2 years ago for futuristic 
apearance and performance, but that's just me! What does
a simple country doctor know about LRV design? RICH



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phillip Clark Campbell" <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:23 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Portland Green Line


> Mr.Allman;
>
> I am not enamored of these low-floor cars;  I am more
> traditional and prefer the Bombardiers with standard
> floor.  When I ride the low-floor I look for a seat in the
> standard floor section, each end of the car.  I am
> concerned with side impact collisions;  something
> could put a whole new door in this equipment.  Maybe
> I will like them better when I really 'need' such an
> amenity.
>
> It is a different story if low-floor 3756 comes along
> isn't it.
>
> The Bombardier equipment is superb;  I am very
> favorably impressed.  Tri-Met known for attention to
> detail;  this is but one example isn't it.
>
>
> Phil
> Without  a   'coast'   but  not  a   'cause.'
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: richard allman <allmanr at verizon.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:07:13 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Portland Green Line
>
> every Tri MET train has one low floor car so the boarding is rather swift!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:20 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Portland Green Line
>
>
>> That's apples vs. oranges.  If you use that to select a transportation
>> mode,
>> that's one thing, but if you compare transit systems you have to look at
>> those areas.  And it's not just the ramp...it's the operator's time away
>> from the platform that's a big factor in the dwell time.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua
>> Dunfield
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:35 PM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Portland Green Line
>>
>> 2009/9/16 Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>:
>>> 22 mph isn't so bad when you figure that a New York express train does
>>> maybe
>>> 17 or 18. You have to look at the number of stops and the dwell time,
>>> which has increased most places because of the need to accommodate the
>>> handicapped patrons.
>>
>> If I'm comparing it to driving, walking, or biking, I really don't need 
>> to
>> look at the stops or the dwell time.  MAX wheelchair ramps are pretty
>> fast,
>> anyway.
>>
>> Fred: yes, I got that far, but I didn't see anything on that page that's
>> obviously an 80 page brochure.  I don't feel like going through
>> 15 links.
>>
>> -j.