[PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question

[Dwight Long]

Herb

Yes, it did.  However, I'm not confident in the scale conversion of the length of the pole.  When I get time (not today) I'll look thru my SLPS slides and see if I can come up with anything useful.

I don't recall SLPS having radios of any sort in their trams.

Dwight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Herb Brannon 
  To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org 
  Sent: Friday, 19 November, 2010 12:56
  Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question


  Dwight,
  I sent a copy of the SLPS #1700 model directly to you. Let me know if it
  came through.
  On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:50, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

  > Fred
  >
  > An air vent made out of tube extending across the roof supported by a
  > center post?
  >
  > I think we are talking about two different appurtenances.
  >
  > Dwight
  >
  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: Fred Schneider
  >  To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
  >   Sent: Friday, 19 November, 2010 12:16
  >  Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
  >
  >
  >  Try an air-vent.   It remained behind the back-up pole that Muni added.
  >
  >
  >  On Nov 18, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
  >
  >  > The PRCo original "radio phone" did not use radio waves to transmit the
  >  > audio directly to the car. It was a telephone based device using the
  > trolley
  >  > wire to transmit. Hence the name "radio phone". That is the basic
  > definition
  >  > of the PRCo system from former PRCo/PATransit Training Instructor Angelo
  >  > Nazzo. He always referred to it as the "trolley phone". Angelo would
  > always
  >  > tell us how superior the PATransit standard radio system was in
  > comparison
  >  > to the "trolley phone". The main complaint with the trolley phone was
  > that
  >  > the voice clarity was very poor. PATransit kept insisting, for years
  > after
  >  > radios had been installed in buses, that it would not be prudent to
  > install
  >  > them in streetcars do to the poor quality experienced in the original
  >  > installation. PAT was forgetting that there was a vast difference
  > between
  >  > the original PRCo radio installation of 1949 and the radio system in use
  > at
  >  > PATransit in 1971. By 1977 all streetcars, with the exception of a
  > handful
  >  > of non-rehabilitated 1600s, had radios installed.
  >  > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 21:24, Phillip Clark Campbell <pcc_sr at yahoo.com
  > >wrote:
  >  >
  >  >> Mr.Brannon;
  >  >> It has the appearance of an 'antenna' doesn't it.  Prc used radio
  >  >> phones on some of the interurbans but don't remember an antenna.
  >  >> Seems the radio signal was overlaid on existing wiring.
  >  >> The item you describe appears to be about 6' long and generally
  >  >> assumes the curvature of the roof.  Much smaller similar devices
  >  >> were used for antennas on cars decades later;  didn't Pat have
  >  >> a U-shaped antenna mounted near the roof light?
  >  >>
  >  >>
  >  >> Phil
  >  >> Without  a   'coast'   but  not  a   'cause.'
  >  >>
  >  >>
  >  >>
  >  >>
  >  >>
  >  >> ________________________________
  >  >> From: Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net>
  >  >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
  >  >> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 8:58:50 PM
  >  >> Subject: [PRCo] SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
  >  >>
  >  >> For those who have a copy of PCC-From Coast to Coast handy. Take a look
  > at
  >  >> the section on St Louis Public Service Co.and the 1600s and 1700s in
  >  >> particular. The SLPS 1600-series and 1700-series PCCs have a small
  > device
  >  >> mounted on the roof just back from the top of the destination sign. It
  >  >> appears to have a bracket in the center and is made from a tube shaped
  >  >> piece
  >  >> of metal, attached to the bracket and extending to both the right and
  > left
  >  >> sides of the car roof. I can find no mention of this device in any of
  > my
  >  >> books. When SLPS sold their cars to Shaker Heights Rapid Transit,
  >  >> Philadelphia Transportation Co and the San Francisco Municipal Railway
  > the
  >  >> device was missing when the cars arrived in their new homes. Does
  > anyone
  >  >> know the purpose of this device?
  >  >> --
  >  >> Herb Brannon
  >  >> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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  >  > --
  >  > Herb Brannon
  >  > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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  Herb Brannon
  In Cuyahoga Valley National Park