[PRCo] Louisville PCCs

[Phillip Clark Campbell]

Mr.Brannon;

It was Prc 1253 that saw 'demonstration' service in Louisville
wasn't it  (pg.194 PCC Fought Back.)   The text does state
'demonstration' but that does not mean it did not run a 
schedule and collect fares.  The latter determine whether or
not it was 'revenue' service.  Are verifiable facts available as
evidence one way or the other?

Prc 1264 was shipped to Buffalo but it simply sat there for
display;  it obviously was not 'revenue' status.

Actually, the majority of the 'Louisville-PCCs' were shipped
directly to Louisville;  only the last 10 were shipped directly to
Cleveland----pg.194 as mentioned above;  also pg.369 in Lind's
history of St.Louis Car as well as pg.189 of Demoro's book
on the PCC.

Demoro,  Lind,  Carlson/Schneider all list a job number  --  1648  --
for the Louisville Cars.  The first 15 were delivered to Louisville.

"The saying “possession is nine points of the law” is an old 
common law  precept that means one who has physical 
control or possession over the  property is clearly at an 
advantage or is in a better possession than a  person 
who has no possession over the property."
.......
Clearly Louisville has an advantage in possession of the cars.
.......
"One in possession of chattel has a greater right to it than one
who  lacks both possession and title. Yet, one who has title
maintains a  greater right over the chattel than 
1) one who simply has possession and 
2) one who has neither possession nor claim of ownership. Id.
Indeed,  it can be said that the title owner has the greatest 
rights to the  property. With that greatest right comes the 
power to negate the  authority of those with lesser right. 
Similarly, those who stand in the  lesser position lack the 
power to override or negate the rights of the  title owner.”"
http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/possession-is-nine-points-of-the-law/
.......
>From the picture caption pg.236 of Young and Provenzo's
history of St.Louis Car is this quote:
"The Louisville cars never ran in that city, owing to a sudden 
change of policy.  They were transferred to Cleveland,
in exchange for buses and cash."
.......
It would seem that the Louisville Rwy or its creditors had title
to at least the first 15-PCC cars if not all of them.  Money /
tangibles  [buses]  changed hands for Cleveland to receive
the cars.

The order with St. Louis Car was from the Louisville Railway.
While the cars never operated in Louisville, 15-PCCs were on
the property and they certainly appear to have been 'owned'  
(possession by Title)  by the Rwy or its creditors.  Cleveland
would need to satisfy the needs of the Louisville Rwy or its 
creditors to receive the PCCs, not St. Louis Car.

Appendix XIV pg.192 of Demoro's book is titled:
"North American PCC Surface Operators/Owners"
"Louisville Railway Company" is clearly listed with the qualifier:
"No Revenue Operation."  It seems clear that Louisville
owned 25 PCC cars.

While short and brief, Louisville owned all 25-PCC cars, 15 of
which it took actual physical possession.  

It can therefore be said that Louisville Rwy owned PCC cars
but never ran them in service.  Louisville Rwy then sold the 
PCC cars they owned to Cleveland.  This is a valid statement
until facts are produced to prove otherwise.


 Phil
Without  a   'coast'   but  not  a   'cause.'





________________________________
From: Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net>
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 11:28:11 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs

While a few of these cars made it to Louisville, they never ran in that
city. No PCC ever ran in Louisville in revenue service. The majority of the
25 cars were shipped  directly from St Louis Car Company to Cleveland
Transit System, Cleveland, Ohio. They are ex-Cleveland cars, not
ex-Louisville.


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 00:35, Phillip Clark Campbell <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Mr.Allman;
>
> Beautiful models;  excellent overhead as well!
> Could you please share some more model photos?
>
> Mr.Robb----All Electric PCCs had slight angle of rear window
> above the belt line;  below the belt line was vertical,  at least
> on St.Louis Cars.  Air Cars had the same slope from above the
> windows to the floor, 8-degrees/30-min on Pgh cars.  I'll send
> you a scan of the Prc 17s rear elevation off list.
>
>
>
> Phil
> Without  a   'coast'   but  not  a   'cause.'