[PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
Herb Brannon
hrbran at cavtel.net
Mon Nov 22 13:26:00 EST 2010
Nine ex Cleveland, ex TTC PCCs did return back to Cleveland in 1978 for
Shaker Heights service. They were, however, all Pullman-Standard cars. These
were TTC #s 4630/4648/4651/4652/4655/4656/4662/4663/4665.
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:06, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
> Herb
>
> OK!
>
> My comments were directed to the post war PCCs that went to Cleveland.
>
> A 1940 PRC demonstrator would have worked in Louisville as Louisville and
> Pittsburgh were the same gauge. However, the postwar cars would have had to
> have been regauged for Cleveland and then again for Toronto. If any of them
> were repatriated, they would have again had to be regauged. That surely
> would have been a record!
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Herb Brannon
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Sent: Monday, 22 November, 2010 07:42
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
>
>
> That was Louisville for the 1940 demonstration.
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 01:03, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Herb
> > Are you referring to Denver or Louisville re the 1940 test? I'm unaware
> of
> > any such in Denver--perhaps there was in Louisville.
> >
> > I agree that PCCs never operated in Louisville in revenue service.
> That's
> > what I was trying to say in my email.
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Herb Brannon
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Sent: Sunday, 21 November, 2010 12:27
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
> >
> >
> > There was a "trial" service around 1940 offered by a PCC demonstrator.
> > However, like PRCo 1095 in Cleveland, was not what, by the transit
> > industry,
> > is defined as "revenue service".
> > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:20, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Herb
> > >
> > > Your second sentence is correct, but your first is only so if
> modified
> > by
> > > the second. At least PCCs got to Louisville and ran (for a
> nanosecond
> > or
> > > so), unlike Denver, where the Denver Tramway Co. turned down the
> offer
> > by
> > > St. Louis Car Co and LATL to borrow an LATL PCC in transit to that
> city.
> > > The local newspaper even offered to pay the expenses of
> transshipment.
> > DTC
> > > turned them down flat. Talk about having one's mind made up. DTC
> and
> > LATL
> > > were both the rare (in USA) Cape gauge, so it would have worked.
> > >
> > > Dwight
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Herb Brannon
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > Sent: Sunday, 21 November, 2010 11:28
> > > Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
> > >
> > >
> > > While a few of these cars made it to Louisville, they never ran in
> > that
> > > city. No PCC ever ran in Louisville in revenue service. The majority
> of
> > > the
> > > 25 cars were shipped directly from St Louis Car Company to
> Cleveland
> > > Transit System, Cleveland, Ohio. They are ex-Cleveland cars, not
> > > ex-Louisville.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 00:35, Phillip Clark Campbell <
> > pcc_sr at yahoo.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mr.Allman;
> > > >
> > > > Beautiful models; excellent overhead as well!
> > > > Could you please share some more model photos?
> > > >
> > > > Mr.Robb----All Electric PCCs had slight angle of rear window
> > > > above the belt line; below the belt line was vertical, at least
> > > > on St.Louis Cars. Air Cars had the same slope from above the
> > > > windows to the floor, 8-degrees/30-min on Pgh cars. I'll send
> > > > you a scan of the Prc 17s rear elevation off list.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > > Without a 'coast' but not a 'cause.'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: richard allman <allmanr at verizon.net>
> > > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > > Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 11:35:17 PM
> > > > Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
> > > >
> > > > Bill-Hmm-post-war MU: Boston, Toronto, Shaker,
> > > > unless you also count Red Arow and Illinois Terminal.
> > > > Attached is photo of a set of Toronto ex-Cleveland
> > > > St. Louis -built MU PCC's-series A-12 @
> > > > TTC-since you brought it up!
> > > > I built these around 6 years ago in HO scale.RICH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bill Robb" <bill937ca at yahoo.ca>
> > > > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 11:29 AM
> > > > Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
> > > >
> > > > > I also thought the pre-war cars were more graceful,
> > > > > but during the last years of the PCCs I came to appreciate
> > > > > the post-war front end was almost as graceful when
> > > > > walking by stopped TTC 4300s at Yonge and Queen.
> > > > > Unfortunately the post war back end drops straight down
> > > > > from the roof line. The tapered pre-war rear end is my
> > > > > favorite. I remember MU cars as having a less graceful profile
> > > > > than the non-MU variety because the couplers cut the lines
> > > > > off abruptly.
> > > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/DSC_0324-1.JPG
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