[PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs

[Dwight Long]

Herb

OK!

My comments were directed to the post war PCCs that went to Cleveland.

A 1940 PRC demonstrator would have worked in Louisville as Louisville and Pittsburgh were the same gauge.  However, the postwar cars would have had to have been regauged for Cleveland and then again for Toronto.  If any of them were repatriated, they would have again had to be regauged.  That surely would have been a record!

Dwight

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Herb Brannon 
  To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org 
  Sent: Monday, 22 November, 2010 07:42
  Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs


  That was Louisville for the 1940 demonstration.
  On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 01:03, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

  > Herb
  > Are you referring to Denver or Louisville re the 1940 test?  I'm unaware of
  > any such in Denver--perhaps there was in Louisville.
  >
  > I agree that PCCs never operated in Louisville in revenue service.  That's
  > what I was trying to say in my email.
  >
  > Dwight
  >
  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: Herb Brannon
  >  To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
  >   Sent: Sunday, 21 November, 2010 12:27
  >  Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
  >
  >
  >  There was a "trial" service around 1940 offered by a PCC demonstrator.
  >  However, like PRCo 1095 in Cleveland, was not what, by the transit
  > industry,
  >  is defined as "revenue service".
  >  On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:20, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
  > wrote:
  >
  >  > Herb
  >  >
  >  > Your second sentence is correct, but your first is only so if modified
  > by
  >  > the second.  At least PCCs got to Louisville and ran (for a nanosecond
  > or
  >  > so), unlike Denver, where the Denver Tramway Co. turned down the offer
  > by
  >  > St. Louis Car Co and LATL to borrow an LATL PCC in transit to that city.
  >  >  The local newspaper even offered to pay the expenses of transshipment.
  >  DTC
  >  > turned them down flat.  Talk about having one's mind made up.  DTC and
  > LATL
  >  > were both the rare (in USA) Cape gauge, so it would have worked.
  >  >
  >  > Dwight
  >  >
  >  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  >  From: Herb Brannon
  >  >  To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
  >  >  Sent: Sunday, 21 November, 2010 11:28
  >  >  Subject: [PRCo] Re: HO Ex-Louisville PCCs
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >   While a few of these cars made it to Louisville, they never ran in
  > that
  >  >  city. No PCC ever ran in Louisville in revenue service. The majority of
  >  > the
  >  >  25 cars were shipped  directly from St Louis Car Company to Cleveland
  >  >  Transit System, Cleveland, Ohio. They are ex-Cleveland cars, not
  >  >  ex-Louisville.
  >  >
  >  >
  >  >  On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 00:35, Phillip Clark Campbell <
  > pcc_sr at yahoo.com
  >  > >wrote:
  >  >
  >  >  > Mr.Allman;
  >  >  >
  >  >  > Beautiful models;  excellent overhead as well!
  >  >  > Could you please share some more model photos?
  >  >  >
  >  >  > Mr.Robb----All Electric PCCs had slight angle of rear window
  >  >  > above the belt line;  below the belt line was vertical,  at least
  >  >  > on St.Louis Cars.  Air Cars had the same slope from above the
  >  >  > windows to the floor, 8-degrees/30-min on Pgh cars.  I'll send
  >  >  > you a scan of the Prc 17s rear elevation off list.
  >  >  >
  >  >  >
  >  >  >
  >  >  > Phil
  >  >  > Without  a   'coast'   but  not  a   'cause.'
  >  >  >
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  >  >  >
  >  >  > ________________________________
  >  >  > From: richard allman <allmanr at verizon.net>
  >  >  > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
  >  >  > Sent: Sat, November 20, 2010 11:35:17 PM
  >  >  > Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
  >  >  >
  >  >  > Bill-Hmm-post-war MU: Boston, Toronto, Shaker,
  >  >  > unless you also count Red Arow and Illinois Terminal.
  >  >  > Attached is photo of a set of Toronto ex-Cleveland
  >  >  > St. Louis -built MU PCC's-series A-12 @
  >  >  > TTC-since you brought it up!
  >  >  >  I built these around 6 years ago in HO scale.RICH
  >  >  >
  >  >  >
  >  >  > ----- Original Message -----
  >  >  > From: "Bill Robb" <bill937ca at yahoo.ca>
  >  >  > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
  >  >  > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 11:29 AM
  >  >  > Subject: [PRCo] Re: SLPS/SHRT/PTC/MUNI PCC Question
  >  >  >
  >  >  > > I also thought the pre-war cars were more graceful,
  >  >  > > but during the last years of the PCCs I came to appreciate
  >  >  > > the post-war front end was almost as graceful when
  >  >  > > walking by stopped TTC 4300s at Yonge and Queen.
  >  >  > > Unfortunately the post war back end drops straight down
  >  >  > > from the roof line. The tapered pre-war rear end is my
  >  >  > > favorite. I remember MU cars as having a less graceful profile
  >  >  > > than the non-MU variety because the couplers cut the lines
  >  >  > > off abruptly.
  >  >  > > Bill
  >  >  >
  >  >  > http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/DSC_0324-1.JPG
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