[PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?

[Fred Schneider]

Point of order ... you are correct for your era Dwight but it went by several names.

Route:   112A Rebecca Street Shuttle (on the route cards)
Destination:   REBECCA STREET SHUTTLE
Destination:   17 REEDSDALE

Rebecca and Reedsdale streets are equivalent ... different years, different names.   



On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Dwight Long wrote:

> 
> Fred
> 
> 17 was NOT Rebecca.  Rebecca was 20, and was not a shuttle.  17 was 
> Reedsdale and was a shuttle.  Both came off in 1951. I rode both, might have 
> been in the last month, but alas, took no pictures of either.  Tracks and 
> overhead for at least 20 were in for years after bustitution.  Maybe PRC had 
> visions of restoring to trams some day?  Reason given for abandonment was 
> construction in the lower Point area (Gateway Center) and supposed removal 
> of the "temporary" wooden ramp to the Manchester Bridge.  Said ramp was 
> still there many years later!  17 perished  because PRC was in the process 
> of getting rid of all shuttles and it was convenient to do so at the time 20 
> was bustituted, simply, I think, by routing the bus over its route.
> 
> Shadeland was gone before my time. I have no clue.
> 
> Dwight
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:06 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
> 
> 
>> As Fonzi would have said,  Correctimundo.   Some shuttles such as 78 
>> Laketon Road carried the number of the longer route 78 Oakmont simply 
>> because, when it was shortened, that was practical.   And the 9 Charles 
>> shuttle took the number of the shortened version of the Perrysville 
>> car ---- 9 Perrysville to Charles Street and Perrysville Avenue once 
>> double end cars were removed from Perrysville Avenue in the 1920s.
>> 
>> In some cases the shuttles were remnants of longer lines that once ran 
>> downtown such as 29 Thornburg.
>> 
>> But you are absolutely correct John.   The shuttles often took the numbers 
>> of previously abandoned lines in the 'hood.
>> 
>> Now explain to be how 16 Superior - Shadeland and 17 Rebecca Street got 
>> their numbers.   There had to be exceptions to the belief that all 
>> shuttles got numbers from abandoned routes.
>> 
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>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 11:45 AM, John Swindler wrote:
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>>> 
>>> It appears that route numbers were assigned in 1914 to routes operating 
>>> downtown, E Liberty and Oakland - places were there were multiple routes. 
>>> There was no need to assign a route number to the various shuttle routes. 
>>> That came later as route numbers were "freed" thru what we would now call 
>>> "rationalization" of the PRC system.  One of my retirement hobbies will 
>>> be to see what the Pittsburgh newspapers have to say about these early 
>>> routes.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:25:02 -0400
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, in anything resembling our time they certainly were. 51 was the Bon 
>>>> Air Shuttle, 52 was the Carson Street shuttle (from the end of line loop 
>>>> upriver), and 53 was, of course, Carrick.
>>>> 
>>>> I knew Derrick could not have meant 51--at least in the parlance that 
>>>> any PRC enthusiast living today would remember!
>>>> 
>>>> Dwight
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: John Swindler
>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011 08:19
>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 53 used the Tenth St. bridge and Second Ave. to downtown. 50 used Carson 
>>>> St. and Smithfield St. bridge. Both were on Carson 10th to 18th St. Then 
>>>> 53 went up 18th to Brownsville Rd., while 50 continued on Carson to 30th 
>>>> St.
>>>> 
>>>> In early years there were two routes that used Tenth St. bridge and two 
>>>> routes on Carson that used Smithfield St. I think Tenth St. bridge had a 
>>>> short turn at 22nd and Carson. Routes numbers 50, 51. 52 and 53 were 
>>>> originally used on these Carson St. routes. But some of the numbers were 
>>>> shifted around over the years.
>>>> 
>>>> The shuttle to 36th St. was the remnant of the line from Carson to Hays 
>>>> on south side of Mon River. There was a Pittsburgh & Birmingham/PRC 
>>>> carbarn at Carson and 30th St., which might have had something to do 
>>>> with 30th being terminal of route 50 Carson.
>>>> 
>>>> just trying to keep current (lol)
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:04:43 -0400
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
>>>>> From: shadow at gmail.com
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Derrick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please explain how Rt. 50 diverged from Rt 51, or even vice versa!
>>>>> 
>>>>> sorry, should have said 53, not 51!
>>>>> i have bus on the brain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Derrick
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