[PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?

[Herb Brannon]

Then what was 20-REBECCA which is shown on the PTM track map?
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 18:47, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:

> Point of order ... you are correct for your era Dwight but it went by
> several names.
>
> Route:   112A Rebecca Street Shuttle (on the route cards)
> Destination:   REBECCA STREET SHUTTLE
> Destination:   17 REEDSDALE
>
> Rebecca and Reedsdale streets are equivalent ... different years, different
> names.
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Dwight Long wrote:
>
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > 17 was NOT Rebecca.  Rebecca was 20, and was not a shuttle.  17 was
> > Reedsdale and was a shuttle.  Both came off in 1951. I rode both, might
> have
> > been in the last month, but alas, took no pictures of either.  Tracks and
> > overhead for at least 20 were in for years after bustitution.  Maybe PRC
> had
> > visions of restoring to trams some day?  Reason given for abandonment was
> > construction in the lower Point area (Gateway Center) and supposed
> removal
> > of the "temporary" wooden ramp to the Manchester Bridge.  Said ramp was
> > still there many years later!  17 perished  because PRC was in the
> process
> > of getting rid of all shuttles and it was convenient to do so at the time
> 20
> > was bustituted, simply, I think, by routing the bus over its route.
> >
> > Shadeland was gone before my time. I have no clue.
> >
> > Dwight
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:06 PM
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
> >
> >
> >> As Fonzi would have said,  Correctimundo.   Some shuttles such as 78
> >> Laketon Road carried the number of the longer route 78 Oakmont simply
> >> because, when it was shortened, that was practical.   And the 9 Charles
> >> shuttle took the number of the shortened version of the Perrysville
> >> car ---- 9 Perrysville to Charles Street and Perrysville Avenue once
> >> double end cars were removed from Perrysville Avenue in the 1920s.
> >>
> >> In some cases the shuttles were remnants of longer lines that once ran
> >> downtown such as 29 Thornburg.
> >>
> >> But you are absolutely correct John.   The shuttles often took the
> numbers
> >> of previously abandoned lines in the 'hood.
> >>
> >> Now explain to be how 16 Superior - Shadeland and 17 Rebecca Street got
> >> their numbers.   There had to be exceptions to the belief that all
> >> shuttles got numbers from abandoned routes.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2011, at 11:45 AM, John Swindler wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> It appears that route numbers were assigned in 1914 to routes operating
> >>> downtown, E Liberty and Oakland - places were there were multiple
> routes.
> >>> There was no need to assign a route number to the various shuttle
> routes.
> >>> That came later as route numbers were "freed" thru what we would now
> call
> >>> "rationalization" of the PRC system.  One of my retirement hobbies will
> >>> be to see what the Pittsburgh newspapers have to say about these early
> >>> routes.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
> >>>> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 11:25:02 -0400
> >>>>
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, in anything resembling our time they certainly were. 51 was the
> Bon
> >>>> Air Shuttle, 52 was the Carson Street shuttle (from the end of line
> loop
> >>>> upriver), and 53 was, of course, Carrick.
> >>>>
> >>>> I knew Derrick could not have meant 51--at least in the parlance that
> >>>> any PRC enthusiast living today would remember!
> >>>>
> >>>> Dwight
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: John Swindler
> >>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011 08:19
> >>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 53 used the Tenth St. bridge and Second Ave. to downtown. 50 used
> Carson
> >>>> St. and Smithfield St. bridge. Both were on Carson 10th to 18th St.
> Then
> >>>> 53 went up 18th to Brownsville Rd., while 50 continued on Carson to
> 30th
> >>>> St.
> >>>>
> >>>> In early years there were two routes that used Tenth St. bridge and
> two
> >>>> routes on Carson that used Smithfield St. I think Tenth St. bridge had
> a
> >>>> short turn at 22nd and Carson. Routes numbers 50, 51. 52 and 53 were
> >>>> originally used on these Carson St. routes. But some of the numbers
> were
> >>>> shifted around over the years.
> >>>>
> >>>> The shuttle to 36th St. was the remnant of the line from Carson to
> Hays
> >>>> on south side of Mon River. There was a Pittsburgh & Birmingham/PRC
> >>>> carbarn at Carson and 30th St., which might have had something to do
> >>>> with 30th being terminal of route 50 Carson.
> >>>>
> >>>> just trying to keep current (lol)
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:04:43 -0400
> >>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Streetcars in the Strip District?
> >>>>> From: shadow at gmail.com
> >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Derrick
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please explain how Rt. 50 diverged from Rt 51, or even vice versa!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> sorry, should have said 53, not 51!
> >>>>> i have bus on the brain.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Derrick
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>


-- 
Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park