[PRCo] Re: Fw: 27 July 1952 Trip to Charleroi, etc.

[Dwight Long]

Fred

My experience was that if the motorman of a southbound car a Charleroi CH had to wait on a northbound to clear, or otherwise had spot time there, he likely would turn up the roll sign to the “Pittsburgh” reading—that is if he bothered to change it at all from “Charleroi” or “Shannon-Charleroi.”

Dwight

From: Fred Schneider 
Sent: Friday, 09 December, 2011 14:37
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: 27 July 1952 Trip to Charleroi, etc.
If ......

the car line came out through where a large brick factory or warehouse building now stands at the far north end of Allenport south of Main and Washington Streets .... and if that is where Allenport Siding was .... it is pretty difficult stretching an imaginary string 11,807 feet long on my computer monitor from where I think Elco loop was and it too was obliterated over time, then there is a brick house on the north side of Main and Washington Streets that comes close to matching the one in the photos.   Of course the motorman had to turn his sign to PITTSBURGH after he left Charleroi going south rather than wait until he got to Elco Loop but that isn't unusual.   The sun on the front of the car also suggests its going south .... usually doesn't happen to northbound cars.   And Allenport is the only Y siding with Nachods facing north other than New Switch and it doesn't fit at all.

So I think Allenport probably fits.   

Wouldn't it be nice to have a perfect scale map?    

Fred



On Dec 9, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:

> Stay tuned...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight Long
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:40 AM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: 27 July 1952 Trip to Charleroi, etc.
> 
> Ed
> 
> If that is true, it rules out the “Mystery Photo” being at Mapleview as the two shots do not match up.
> 
> Your theory about Allenport is looking better and better!
> 
> Dwight
> 
> From: Edward H. Lybarger 
> Sent: Friday, 09 December, 2011 08:31
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: 27 July 1952 Trip to Charleroi, etc.
> The photo of 3761 shows the car outbound at Mapleview.  The north end was Nachod-controlled.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight Long
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 12:18 AM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: 27 July 1952 Trip to Charleroi, etc.
> 
> Phil
> 
> 1614 was used starting from Washington interurban station.  1646 was added at Tylerdale because of overcrowding. The cars went north to Castle Shannon, backed around the loop, and went south.  The procedure was reversed coming north from Charleroi.
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> Both 1614 and 1646 were backed into the Donora line at Black Junction. This was to let a northbound service car pass.  
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> A maximum of two cars were used at any one time.  There was no charter on Washington local lines. If anyone on the trip did any Washington local lines, it was either early in the morning before the trip started or in the evening after it ended.  
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> The fot on the Elco loop shows the service car backed into the cripple track to let a special, using a Jones interurban car, pass.  The Jones car is on the inbound side of the loop. I do not know for sure if this was the 27 July 1952 trip.  All I can say is that the Jones car is not the 3761 on that day. However, it probably IS on that trip and likely is the 3769, based on the fot at White Barn.  The adult facing the car there COULD be John Baxter—there is a definite resemblance but the details are too murky to be sure. I can’t make out any other identities in any of the other fots.  The last one is at a Nachod controlled siding, somewhere between Charleroi and Elco.  If we knew which sidings had Nachods and on which end, we might be able to zero in on it.  The car appears to be southbound.  It’s definitely the 27 July 1952 trip—note the front end details in the right and center windows and the blank desti!
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> tion sign, all of which match perfectly !
> with the shot I took!
>  of the car in the Charleroi car house yard.
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> I was on this trip, but as related before, not on the Charleroi-Elco part.
> 
> Dwight
> 
> From: Phillip Clark Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, 08 December, 2011 22:12
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: 27 July 1952 Trip to Charleroi, etc.
> Thank you, Mr.Long.
> 
> I am including a couple photos.  It is difficult to read the car numbers at Elco but it "suggests" 3765.
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> The photo of 3769 at White Barn is the same date as the charter and coincides with the information from Perc -- 1614, 1646, 3761, 3769 were all used on this charter.  Incidentally--this charter did go to Washington then Shannon, Charleroi, Roscoe, then back to Washington.
> I believe local revenue cars were used in Washington by some on the charter.  Since this is a joint charter with Akron it is possible 4-cars were needed.
> 
> 
> A third photo shows 1646 backed onto the Donora line at Black Diamond; regular service car 4387 was used by those on the charter who wanted to ride to Donora.
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> The 4th photo shows 3761 in "1952" so this may be the charter.  You might identify individuals for us!
> 
> I need to tend to other matters. 
> 
> Phil
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> ________________________________
> From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 9:46 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Fw: 27 July 1952 Trip to Charleroi, etc.
> 
> From: Dwight Long=20
> Sent: Thursday, 08 December, 2011 20:00
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org=20
> Subject: 27 July 1952 Trip to Charleroi, etc.
> 
> Phil
> 
> Here is the fot to which I referred earlier.  Still having computer = issues but found another way to get it onto this computer so could send. = Now if the dreaded Ecartis will let it appear, all is well.
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> This is a Box Brownie photo taken by an inexperienced photographer (me = at age 13).  Sorry it is not the best quality, and for the pole in the = front of 3761.  But it does show the features to which  I referred in a = previous email on the subject of the =E2=80=9Cmystery photo.=E2=80=9D
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> Dwight
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