[PRCo] Re: Lisbon in the 1990s

[Bill Robb]

One more link, this one showing more tram like vehicles on the counter balance 
trolley lines.
http://www.carris.pt/pt/fotos-de-ascensores/

Bill



Fred Schneider wrote:
 
"Carris also operates a completely vertical elevator to the top of the mountain 
but I cannot find any videos of it."
 
It's the Elevador de Santa Justa and one of your links led me to several videos, 

but first a web site with many large photos of the elevator, the observation 
deck and the connection to Carmo which until 1996 was the terminal of tram 24.
 
http://www.galenfrysinger.com/lisbon_santa_justa_lift.htm
 
Videos
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcViBCauQg&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQi2nRPZjH0
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtm_SH6eOTo&NR=1
 
BillBill:
What you did here was to prove to me that at least several people were 
"listening" when I posted some of those foreign videos.  It wasn't for naught.  
It does have an audience even if this is a Pittsburgh website.

Let me tell you guys something else.  For years after I worked as a theater 
projectionist, I could not go to a movie theater without seeing every mistake 
the projectionist made ... focusing, framing, not coming in on cue.  


I was having a similar problem here ... I've been running trolleys so long that 
when I saw those views out the front of a Lisbon car, I couldn't enjoy it.  My 
eyes automatically looked at every pedestrian, every automobile near the 
clearance line, ever vehicle about to pull out in front of the streetcar, every 
switch point.  S--t. 


I went over there once in the 1990s with a friend who had a little problem with 
his mouth.  He did not quite understand that Europeans are linguists compared to 

us, and in particular, people in minority language countries like Portugal (or 
Norway or Finland or Sweden or Denmark) will study English as their escape 
language.  We were coming back from a tour of the car overhaul shop in Lisboa 
with a student motorman and her instructor.  My friend, a former motorman in a 
North American city,  was running at the mouth, commenting out loud on this 
lady's abilities as an operator.  I was trying to signal him to shut up.  I used 

several signals ... the finger over the mouth, the hand over the mouth, the 
finger drawn across the neck and finally, "Damn it all, Dick, shut your 
f-u-c-k-i-n-g mouth."  Nothing worked.  He simply figured she didn't understand 
English.  Well, half way into town the car stopped.  The instructor got off to 
use the phone.  The lady turned around, winked !
at me.  Then she looked at my friend and said, "Does my performance meet with 
your lofty expectations for me?"  You could have scraped him off the floor.  
Literally.  He had a mini stroke later that day and collapsed on the street the 
next day.  Lesson ... do not assume because you are in a non English speaking 
country that people don't understand you. 


Your interest in Lisboa seemed to be concentrated on the two axle cars.

The articulados were coming on line when I visited the city:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gARMj2HfkKg&NR=1

Some of the earliest rail abandonments were caused by subway lines:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSBE2zCMS8Q&NR=1

Lisboa may be the only remaining place in the world (not sure ... welcome the 
correction) where you can ride a counter-balance trolley line.  They are called 
Elvador or Elvadoros in Portuguese.  There are three in Lisboa, the Gloria, the 
Lavra and the Bica. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgOX1cLOYRs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-zuQxRu3fc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T9LIza7INI

Carris also operates a completely vertical elevator to the top of the mountain 
but I cannot find any videos of it.  





On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Bill Robb wrote:

> How about Lisbon in the early 1990s before LRVs on Route 15?  There were still 


> 1906 vintage bogies on the flat lines and single truckers on numerous hilly 
> routes with gauntlet track, single track operation and much more.  Today there 


> are still single truckers, LRVs and a tram museum at Santo Amaro depot.
>  
> Line 25 at the Aquas Livres Aqueduct, 1996 or earlier.
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQyLxA7dZPo&p=5EE2361DE48E7CD6
>  
> Line 18 to Ajuda September 1991 (still running).
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQsoUECZCV8&p=5EE2361DE48E7CD6
>  
> Central and east end lines, September 1991
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88i2_bNdclE&p=5EE2361DE48E7CD6
>  
> Today on Tram 28 (runbys, window ride and cab ride).
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ZNvZHWQ9g&p=5EE2361DE48E7CD6
>  
> Bill Robb
> 
> 
>