[PRCo] Re: Lisbon in the 1990s

[Herb Brannon]

There were several sections of both single track and gauntlet track
operation. I looked at the videos a couple times over but could not spot any
type of signal system to protect the single track sections. Maybe I'm not
seeing them. What type of signal system is used on the single track sections
in Lisbon?
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 21:27, Bill Robb <bill937ca at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> One more link, this one showing more tram like vehicles on the counter
> balance
> trolley lines.
> http://www.carris.pt/pt/fotos-de-ascensores/
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Fred Schneider wrote:
>
> "Carris also operates a completely vertical elevator to the top of the
> mountain
> but I cannot find any videos of it."
>
> It's the Elevador de Santa Justa and one of your links led me to several
> videos,
>
> but first a web site with many large photos of the elevator, the
> observation
> deck and the connection to Carmo which until 1996 was the terminal of tram
> 24.
>
> http://www.galenfrysinger.com/lisbon_santa_justa_lift.htm
>
> Videos
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcViBCauQg&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQi2nRPZjH0
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtm_SH6eOTo&NR=1
>
> BillBill:
> What you did here was to prove to me that at least several people were
> "listening" when I posted some of those foreign videos.  It wasn't for
> naught.
> It does have an audience even if this is a Pittsburgh website.
>
> Let me tell you guys something else.  For years after I worked as a theater
> projectionist, I could not go to a movie theater without seeing every
> mistake
> the projectionist made ... focusing, framing, not coming in on cue.
>
>
> I was having a similar problem here ... I've been running trolleys so long
> that
> when I saw those views out the front of a Lisbon car, I couldn't enjoy it.
> My
> eyes automatically looked at every pedestrian, every automobile near the
> clearance line, ever vehicle about to pull out in front of the streetcar,
> every
> switch point.  S--t.
>
>
> I went over there once in the 1990s with a friend who had a little problem
> with
> his mouth.  He did not quite understand that Europeans are linguists
> compared to
>
> us, and in particular, people in minority language countries like Portugal
> (or
> Norway or Finland or Sweden or Denmark) will study English as their escape
> language.  We were coming back from a tour of the car overhaul shop in
> Lisboa
> with a student motorman and her instructor.  My friend, a former motorman
> in a
> North American city,  was running at the mouth, commenting out loud on this
> lady's abilities as an operator.  I was trying to signal him to shut up.  I
> used
>
> several signals ... the finger over the mouth, the hand over the mouth, the
> finger drawn across the neck and finally, "Damn it all, Dick, shut your
> f-u-c-k-i-n-g mouth."  Nothing worked.  He simply figured she didn't
> understand
> English.  Well, half way into town the car stopped.  The instructor got off
> to
> use the phone.  The lady turned around, winked !
> at me.  Then she looked at my friend and said, "Does my performance meet
> with
> your lofty expectations for me?"  You could have scraped him off the
> floor.
> Literally.  He had a mini stroke later that day and collapsed on the street
> the
> next day.  Lesson ... do not assume because you are in a non English
> speaking
> country that people don't understand you.
>
>
> Your interest in Lisboa seemed to be concentrated on the two axle cars.
>
> The articulados were coming on line when I visited the city:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gARMj2HfkKg&NR=1
>
> Some of the earliest rail abandonments were caused by subway lines:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSBE2zCMS8Q&NR=1
>
> Lisboa may be the only remaining place in the world (not sure ... welcome
> the
> correction) where you can ride a counter-balance trolley line.  They are
> called
> Elvador or Elvadoros in Portuguese.  There are three in Lisboa, the Gloria,
> the
> Lavra and the Bica.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgOX1cLOYRs&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-zuQxRu3fc&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T9LIza7INI
>
> Carris also operates a completely vertical elevator to the top of the
> mountain
> but I cannot find any videos of it.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Bill Robb wrote:
>
> > How about Lisbon in the early 1990s before LRVs on Route 15?  There were
> still
>
>
> > 1906 vintage bogies on the flat lines and single truckers on numerous
> hilly
> > routes with gauntlet track, single track operation and much more.  Today
> there
>
>
> > are still single truckers, LRVs and a tram museum at Santo Amaro depot.
> >
> > Line 25 at the Aquas Livres Aqueduct, 1996 or earlier.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQyLxA7dZPo&p=5EE2361DE48E7CD6
> >
> > Line 18 to Ajuda September 1991 (still running).
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQsoUECZCV8&p=5EE2361DE48E7CD6
> >
> > Central and east end lines, September 1991
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88i2_bNdclE&p=5EE2361DE48E7CD6
> >
> > Today on Tram 28 (runbys, window ride and cab ride).
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0ZNvZHWQ9g&p=5EE2361DE48E7CD6
> >
> > Bill Robb
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park