[PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map

[Derrick Brashear]

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net> wrote:
> What am I missing?  Which "map originally mentioned" are we talking about.

the one at the pghbridges site, not the attached kml files.

> The pink line on the Google Earth overlay is along the east shoulder of US
> 19 north of Warrendale.  The car line hugged the Turnpike alignment briefly,
> then followed the road that today goes to the hotels, then went through the
> toll booth location before bearing NE to the alignment that is correctly
> shown.
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> Perhaps what I'm calling Warrendale is really Cranberry, which didn't exist
> in HR days!

no, the kmz files do have the error you describe!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of Derrick
> Brashear
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:16 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map
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> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> It's absolutely amazing how these come right up as a Google Maps overlay!
>> A couple of Harmony Route items jump out:  1) The Warrendale alignment
>> was to the west of the present-day Route 19, between it and the
>> Turnpike.  It's highly visible on the PennPilot photos.
>
> The map originally mentioned appears to get that right fwiw.
>
>>2) There are major errors in
>> Ellwood City.  The main line came straight through across the valley
>>on two  large bridges (Knox on the south and Grimm on the north) and
>>followed what  is today Joffre St. in the park.  My wife's family
>>reunions are held there  and the concrete is still highly visible, even
>>in July, if one knows where  to look.  There was a wye between the two
>>bridges, where the line went west  into town and beyond to Koppel and
>>Beaver Falls.  That latter portion of the  route is not shown.  It
>>started out by following Portersville Road, as you  show, but track did
>>not run on either Sims or Jefferson Streets. Map  attached below. 3) the
> street trackage in New Castle are incomplete.
>>
>> I'm not claiming to have reviewed everything here!  Just wanted to
>> clear up a couple points of confusion.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Stephen Titchenal
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:04 PM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map
>>
>> Attached are two kmz files (for Google Earth or Google Maps) tracing
>> the routes based on digital elevation data showing the right of way if
>> still existent or using older maps and aerial photos if not. Tracing
>> should be accurate to within 5 or so feet. You can load the file into
>> a gps (or Google Earth on a gps enabled smart phone) and use it in the
>> field. I have not had a chance to explore this right-of-way in the
>> field yet, but other rights-of-ways I have explored in the field were
>> quite accurate.  If you find anything way off, let me know so I can
> correct it.
>> I am in the process of tracing the routes of abandoned railroads,
>> street cars and interurbans in Ohio and Western Pa using this technique.
>>
>> Stephen Titchenal
>> www.railsandtrails.com
>> www.titchenal.com
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>> -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> -- Type: application/vnd.google-earth.kmz
>> -- Size: 14k (15289 bytes)
>> -- URL :
>> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Harmony%20Route.km
>> z
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>> -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> -- Type: application/vnd.google-earth.kmz
>> -- Size: 10k (10330 bytes)
>> -- URL :
>> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Pittsburgh%20&%20B
>> utler%
>> 20Electric.kmz
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>> -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> -- Type: image/jpeg
>> -- Size: 775k (793775 bytes)
>> -- URL :
>> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Ellwood%20City%20M
>> ap%20EHL.jpg
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