[PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map

[Stephen Titchenal]

Thanks for the updates.

I mostly followed the Digital Elevation information and was starting to
figure out locations where there is nothing left on the ground. Once you
leave Pittsburgh, there seem to be very few maps showing the Interurban
lines through cities such as Ellwood City. I did the tracings last fall
before I purchased Wayne's books and forgot I never updated them. I'll get
back to them in the next week or two and share updated kmz files.

Not sure when I will make it to Pittsburgh again to explore in the field.

Stephen Titchenal
www.railsandtrails.com
www.titchenal.com

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of Derrick
Brashear
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:15 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
wrote:
> What am I missing?  Which "map originally mentioned" are we talking about.

the one at the pghbridges site, not the attached kml files.

> The pink line on the Google Earth overlay is along the east shoulder of US
> 19 north of Warrendale.  The car line hugged the Turnpike alignment
briefly,
> then followed the road that today goes to the hotels, then went through
the
> toll booth location before bearing NE to the alignment that is correctly
> shown.
>
> Perhaps what I'm calling Warrendale is really Cranberry, which didn't
exist
> in HR days!

no, the kmz files do have the error you describe!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
Derrick
> Brashear
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:16 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> It's absolutely amazing how these come right up as a Google Maps overlay!
>> A couple of Harmony Route items jump out:  1) The Warrendale alignment
>> was to the west of the present-day Route 19, between it and the
>> Turnpike.  It's highly visible on the PennPilot photos.
>
> The map originally mentioned appears to get that right fwiw.
>
>>2) There are major errors in
>> Ellwood City.  The main line came straight through across the valley
>>on two  large bridges (Knox on the south and Grimm on the north) and
>>followed what  is today Joffre St. in the park.  My wife's family
>>reunions are held there  and the concrete is still highly visible, even
>>in July, if one knows where  to look.  There was a wye between the two
>>bridges, where the line went west  into town and beyond to Koppel and
>>Beaver Falls.  That latter portion of the  route is not shown.  It
>>started out by following Portersville Road, as you  show, but track did
>>not run on either Sims or Jefferson Streets. Map  attached below. 3) the
> street trackage in New Castle are incomplete.
>>
>> I'm not claiming to have reviewed everything here!  Just wanted to
>> clear up a couple points of confusion.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Stephen Titchenal
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:04 PM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map
>>
>> Attached are two kmz files (for Google Earth or Google Maps) tracing
>> the routes based on digital elevation data showing the right of way if
>> still existent or using older maps and aerial photos if not. Tracing
>> should be accurate to within 5 or so feet. You can load the file into
>> a gps (or Google Earth on a gps enabled smart phone) and use it in the
>> field. I have not had a chance to explore this right-of-way in the
>> field yet, but other rights-of-ways I have explored in the field were
>> quite accurate.  If you find anything way off, let me know so I can
> correct it.
>> I am in the process of tracing the routes of abandoned railroads,
>> street cars and interurbans in Ohio and Western Pa using this technique.
>>
>> Stephen Titchenal
>> www.railsandtrails.com
>> www.titchenal.com
>>
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>>
>> -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> -- Type: application/vnd.google-earth.kmz
>> -- Size: 14k (15289 bytes)
>> -- URL :
>> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Harmony%20Route.km
>> z
>>
>>
>> -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> -- Type: application/vnd.google-earth.kmz
>> -- Size: 10k (10330 bytes)
>> -- URL :
>> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Pittsburgh%20&%20B
>> utler%
>> 20Electric.kmz
>>
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>>
>> -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
>> -- Type: image/jpeg
>> -- Size: 775k (793775 bytes)
>> -- URL :
>> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Ellwood%20City%20M
>> ap%20EHL.jpg
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