[PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map

Fri Mar 25 08:49:58 EDT 2011

Nice, but PennPilot aerial photos are so much more accurate! 

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From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of John
Swindler
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:05 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map

This might be of some help for Ellwood city to New Castle portion of Harmony
route in Lawrence County.

ftp://ftp.dot.state.pa.us/public/pdf/BPR_PDF_FILES/Maps/Type_10_GHS_Historic
al_Scans/Lawrence_1930.pdf

And this might be helpful for Harmony branch to Beaver Falls plus Beaver
Valley Traction and connection to Steubenville.

ftp://ftp.dot.state.pa.us/public/pdf/BPR_PDF_FILES/Maps/Type_10_GHS_Historic
al_Scans/Beaver_1916.pdf

Unfortunately Butler Co. not available on PennDOT website.

> From: stephen at titchenal.com
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map
> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:11:19 -0400
> 
> Thanks for the updates.
> 
> I mostly followed the Digital Elevation information and was starting 
> to figure out locations where there is nothing left on the ground. 
> Once you leave Pittsburgh, there seem to be very few maps showing the 
> Interurban lines through cities such as Ellwood City. I did the 
> tracings last fall before I purchased Wayne's books and forgot I never 
> updated them. I'll get back to them in the next week or two and share
updated kmz files.
> 
> Not sure when I will make it to Pittsburgh again to explore in the field.
> 
> Stephen Titchenal
> www.railsandtrails.com
> www.titchenal.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Derrick Brashear
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:15 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map
> 
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Edward H. Lybarger 
> <trams2 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > What am I missing?  Which "map originally mentioned" are we talking
about.
> 
> the one at the pghbridges site, not the attached kml files.
> 
> > The pink line on the Google Earth overlay is along the east shoulder 
> > of US
> > 19 north of Warrendale.  The car line hugged the Turnpike alignment
> briefly,
> > then followed the road that today goes to the hotels, then went 
> > through
> the
> > toll booth location before bearing NE to the alignment that is 
> > correctly shown.
> >
> > Perhaps what I'm calling Warrendale is really Cranberry, which 
> > didn't
> exist
> > in HR days!
> 
> no, the kmz files do have the error you describe!
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
> Derrick
> > Brashear
> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:16 PM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Edward H. Lybarger 
> > <trams2 at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >> It's absolutely amazing how these come right up as a Google Maps
overlay!
> >> A couple of Harmony Route items jump out:  1) The Warrendale 
> >> alignment was to the west of the present-day Route 19, between it 
> >> and the Turnpike.  It's highly visible on the PennPilot photos.
> >
> > The map originally mentioned appears to get that right fwiw.
> >
> >>2) There are major errors in
> >> Ellwood City.  The main line came straight through across the 
> >>valley on two  large bridges (Knox on the south and Grimm on the 
> >>north) and followed what  is today Joffre St. in the park.  My 
> >>wife's family reunions are held there  and the concrete is still 
> >>highly visible, even in July, if one knows where  to look.  There 
> >>was a wye between the two bridges, where the line went west  into 
> >>town and beyond to Koppel and Beaver Falls.  That latter portion of 
> >>the  route is not shown.  It started out by following Portersville 
> >>Road, as you  show, but track did not run on either Sims or 
> >>Jefferson Streets. Map  attached below. 3) the
> > street trackage in New Castle are incomplete.
> >>
> >> I'm not claiming to have reviewed everything here!  Just wanted to 
> >> clear up a couple points of confusion.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >> Stephen Titchenal
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:04 PM
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Butler Harmony Map
> >>
> >> Attached are two kmz files (for Google Earth or Google Maps) 
> >> tracing the routes based on digital elevation data showing the 
> >> right of way if still existent or using older maps and aerial 
> >> photos if not. Tracing should be accurate to within 5 or so feet. 
> >> You can load the file into a gps (or Google Earth on a gps enabled 
> >> smart phone) and use it in the field. I have not had a chance to 
> >> explore this right-of-way in the field yet, but other 
> >> rights-of-ways I have explored in the field were quite accurate.  
> >> If you find anything way off, let me know so I can
> > correct it.
> >> I am in the process of tracing the routes of abandoned railroads, 
> >> street cars and interurbans in Ohio and Western Pa using this
technique.
> >>
> >> Stephen Titchenal
> >> www.railsandtrails.com
> >> www.titchenal.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >> -- Type: application/vnd.google-earth.kmz
> >> -- Size: 14k (15289 bytes)
> >> -- URL :
> >> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Harmony%20Route
> >> .km
> >> z
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >> -- Type: application/vnd.google-earth.kmz
> >> -- Size: 10k (10330 bytes)
> >> -- URL :
> >> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Pittsburgh%20&%
> >> 20B
> >> utler%
> >> 20Electric.kmz
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
> >> -- Type: image/jpeg
> >> -- Size: 775k (793775 bytes)
> >> -- URL :
> >> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Ellwood%20City%
> >> 20M
> >> ap%20EHL.jpg
> >>
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