[PRCo] Re: Troop trains

[Dwight Long]

   Fred   Am I not correct that GH later replaced the dual motors with a
single = one?   Ektachrome's color shift can be corrected in Photo Shop. 
Anscoch= rome, whose image gradually just wasted away, cannot.  So be
thankful = that you have Ektachrome.  I did not use Agfachrome until the
90s--goo= d stuff by then.   Dwight

May 11, 2011 01:44:46 AM, pittsburgh-railways at dement= ia.org wrote:
Better you we= re using Kodachrome Bob. All my Ektachomes from the early
1960s faded. That= E3 or E4 process was a dud. But the Agfachrome dyes from
1960 held up very= well. 

Scenicruisers.... buses with two side-by-side diesels. I had= official
contact prints at one time of Central Greyhound C-675 sent to me = from
Pontiac, Michigan ... they were the official General Motors "builders =
photographs" for the PD-4501 model. Difference between builders photos of b=
uses and those of streetcars was, they took those buses out and found some =
very pretty locations to photograph them. 

First time I saw a Scenic= ruiser was on display in front of the terminal in
Parkersburg, West Virgini= a. Probably Saturday the 3 of September, 1955.
(Perpetual calendars are gre= at!) In those days Parkersburg had service by
hound east and west on US 50 = to Cincinnati and St. Louis and Baltimore and
Washington (competing with th= e B&O), and north to Pittsburgh and south to
Charleston and some local = runs too. 

I remember a driver in Parkersburg telling me about one o= f his friends who
had an early local run into Parkersburg and back out in t= he evening. He
kept the hound in his own driveway. Well, one night his kid = took the bus
and filled it with other kids to take advantage of the all you= stuff into
the vehicle rate at the local drive-in. I think the story ended= with,
"Afterthat he didn't keep it at home any longer." 

In those = days the Greyhound fleet was mostly the 1951 PD-4103s, a lot of
slant windo= w PD-4104s but once in a while you would still see those prewar
Yellow Coac= hes (743s I think). I remember riding one of those Yellows on a
Pittsburgh = - Philly schedule from York to Lancaster one day back in 1953
or1954, by t= hen probably 17 or 18 years old.

As I think about it now, the local = bus company in Lancaster was running
late and middle 1930s ACFs in base ser= vice at that time on some routes.
Bill Janssen used to refer to the Wizzard= s of Hoboken who kept those
40-year-old DC electric coaches running on the = Erie-Lackawanna in the
early1970s. Well, we had wizzards in Lancaster that= kept old ACFs and
ACF-Brills running long after they should have expired t= oo. There was one
26-S ACF from 1942 still running in the 1960s on a weekda= y interplant
charter for RCA. One Saturday in 1962 when all the newer coach= es were out
on charters and they were running short of equipment, I saw tha= t critter
sailing in the New Holland Pike on a scheduled Ephrata run. I rem= ember my
thoughts when I saw it that day were, "My God ... you could legall= y put
purple antique car license plates on it." 





On = May 10, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:

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>Dwight, >
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>49 year old memories! On my 1962 trip , t= he Greyhounds were Scenecruisers
which had restrooms. They traveled on US 6= 6, and (where completed) on
I-40.There were numerous rest stops at Greyhou= nd Post Houses. Westbound,
wegot into St. Louis around 4 am and had a coup= le of hours until our
connecting bus left for Los Angeles. I remember watch= ing St. Louis PCC's
running near the bus station, but it was still dark and= I didn't have a
tripod along. I had a 35mm camera, but that was i n the da= ys of low ASA
Kodachrome 10 a nd 25. 
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>Bo= b 
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>----- Orig= inal Message ----- 
>From: "Dwight Long" >To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org 
>Cc: pittsburgh-railways= @dementia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 7:43:59 PM 
>Subj= ect: [PRCo] Re: Troop trains 
>
>Bob On my trip to Rolla I ha= d spent the day riding the IT suburban 
>service=3D and fotting SLPS= before heading west to Rolla. The Dog on which
I 
>ro=3D de had no = restroom--it was an early version of the Highway Traveler

>series--= and I well remember the rest stop on my trip. It was at a p=3D
lace 
&gt= ; called "The Diamond," or something close to that and I think it =3D
was o= n 
>theold Rt.66. I was in desperate need of it, at any rate, hav=3D= ing been 
>lulled into a belief that the bus would have a restroom = by virtue =3D of
the 
>fact that the one I rode into STL DID have su= ch a facility! And yes, that

>is the preferred pronunciation of Rol= la! Dwight 
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>May 10, 2011 04:20:13 AM, pittsburgh-railways@= dement=3D ia.org wrote: 
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>I remembe=3D r stopping at the Po= st House in Rolla (RAWL-Luh) on a 
>cross-country=3DC3=3D82&n=3D= bsp;Greyhound trip in 1962. 
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>Bob 
&g= t; 
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>----- Original Message ----= - 
>From: "Herb Brannon" To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org 
&g= t; Sent: Monday, May 9, 2011 9:46:=3D 25 PM 
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Tr= oop trains 
>
>I haven't heard that tow=3D ns name mentioned = in quite a few years. 1957
was 
>almost a decade before=3D my time t= here but I doubt if it changed very
much. 
>On Mon, May 9, 2011=3D a= t 21:02, Dwight Long wrote: 
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>>=3DC3=3D82&n=3D bsp; = =3DC3=3D82 =3DC3=3D82 Herb =3DC3=3D82 Back in 1957
Iwas returni=3D ng 
= >east from Rolla, Mo., on the 
>>Frisco's loc=3D3D al passeng= er train=3D , and we went into the hole at
least 
>once, 
>&gt= ; and I think tw=3D3D ice, =3D for a very long troop train. =3DC3=3D82
I le= arned 
>laterthat it 
>>w=3D as headed =3D3D to Ft. Leonar= d Wood. =3DC3=3D82 Dwight 
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>>Ma=3D y 9, 2011 05:29:1= 7 PM, pittsburgh-railways at dementi=3D3D a.org
wrote: 
>>=3D In the= Summer=3D3D of 1964 I had a "seasonal" job with the City of
Akron, 
&gt= ;> Street 
>>&Hig=3D3D hway Dept, as a laborer on a McAdam= pavi=3D ng crew. We had a
three 
>day 
>>job,=3D3D in mid= -August, on a city stree=3D t which ran along side the
main 
>>ea= st-westrailroad tracks. These tr=3D acks served the Eire-Lackawanna, 
&g= t;> Baltimore 
>>&=3D3D Ohio =3D 
>>and the Penn= sylvania railroads. Every day we worked on that street=3D
=3D3D we 
>= saw 
>>troop train after troop train headed westbound. All th=3D= e trains
us=3D3Ded 
>the 
>>1930s Pullman cars you speak= about. Just a f=3D ew months later in
Ap=3D3Dril, 
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>>1= 965 
>>I 
>>departed, l=3D ike your brother, on a TWA f= light headed for BCT =3D3D
andAIT, 
>as a 
>>=3D Combat E= ngineer, at Ft Leonard Wood, MO. 
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>>>&g=3D t; On=3D3D Sun, May 8, 2011 at 22:52, Bob Rathke wrote: >>>
>>=3D ; >A couple of follow-ups, Fred: 
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>>>
>>&g=3D t; 
>>>=3D3D = - In March, 1963 I took my brother to Greater Pittsburg=3D h
Airport 
&g= t; where 
>>he>boarded a TWA Constellation for his inductio=3D= n in the Army at Ft.
Kn=3D3D 
>ox. 
>>>Attached is a p= hoto of my broth=3D er about to enter the door,
look=3D3Ding 
>back= 
>>>toward the camera=3D . 
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>>>By 1964=3D3D -67, th=3D e Defense Departm= ent was sending a greater
number of 
>>>Pittsbu=3D =3D3D rgh i= nductees to basic training on trains from the PRR
and 
>P&LE &gt= ;>=3D3D stations. I took photos of the 1930's Pullman cars kept
inth=3D= 
>ose 
>>stations>for use on the inductee trains. 
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>>>- L=3D= 3D ast Fall, my uncle told me abou=3D t his rail trip to basic
training >in 
>>1942> (previously, he had =3D never talked about h= is WWII experiences).
His 
>>dad=3D3D 
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>=3D &= gt;>accompanied him to the P&LE station that day where he boarded =
=3D =3D3D a 
>B&O 
>>train 
>>to 
>&gt= ;> Washington, D.C., and=3D then on to an Army base in=3D3D the South.
H= he said 
>his 
>>>parents=3D (my grandparents) didn't k= now that=3D3D he enlisted in the
Army - 
>they 
>&=3D gt;= >always thought that he had been dra=3D3D fted. 
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&g= t;> =3D >
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>>>Last Fall he talked freel= y about his =3D3D e=3D xperiences in the U.S.
and 
>Pacific 
>= >>1942-45, and I furiously to=3D ok n=3D3D otes on everything he sai= d. 
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>>&g=3D t; 
>>= >Bob 
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>= >>----- Original Message ----- 
>>&=3D3D g=3D t; From:= "Fred Schneider" 
>>>To: pittsburgh=3D3D -railways at dementia= =3D .org 
>>>Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2011 10:40:38 AM 
>&gt= ;> =3D3D ; =3D Subject: [PRCo] Re: Pennsylvania RR Heritage Passenger
Tr= ain 
>>>=3D 
>>&=3D3D gt; Back on October 8th, 1= 958, I entered the army. The lo=3D cal 
>recruiter 
>>(yes= =3D3D , 
>>>guys, RA stood for ragged ass=3D ) gave me a ticke= t to Harrisburg on
=3D3D the 
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>>Pennsy. 
>>>= M=3D y parents were on the station platform in Lancaster to=3D3D say
good-= bye. 
>>>And dad had one last picture of the train disappeari= =3D3D ng west w=3D
ith one 
>of 
>>>those Pennsy busine= ss cars on the rear end of n=3D3D =3D umber 25. 
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>&g= t;> That was one hellish long day. Hours o=3D f processin=3D3D g and
fin= ally a bus 
>to 
>>>Philadelphia and another=3D bus to = Fort Dix. An=3D3D d then standing in

>formation 
>>for >>=3D >an hour. Finally some a-hole serge=3D3D ant comes out of= a
building and s=3D 
>ays, 
>>>"Oh, you guys still her= e. Wel=3D3D l maybe we do something.=3D " And he
sent 
>usto 
&gt= ;>> dinner at 11 PM for wha=3D3D t was left over=3D in the reception =
center. Then 
>to 
>>>bed at 1 AM. Then =3D3D they w=3D= oke us up again at 4 a.m. to tell us
wewere 
>in 
>>>= the army now.=3D =3D3D 
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>>>Thanks Bob, for th= e memories. 
>>>=3D 
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>>Herb Brannon 
>>In Cuyah=3D3D o=3D ga Val= ley National Park 
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>Herb B= rannon 
>In Cuyahoga Valley National Park 
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