[PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport

Sat Nov 26 18:30:25 EST 2011

Now to confuse the issue even more.
Look very closely at the space between the crude "guardrail" at the side of
the road and the first railroad track. Look at this area where the last two
railroad cars are sitting. Between the closest railroad track and the fence
(in front of and below the hopper car) doesn't there appear to be a
depressed area running the length of the photo horizontally? Maybe a stream
or another railroad?? Look through the planks on the "guardrail" fence
(ignore the plant life  below the guardrail fence) and all along that
horizontal line can be seen plant growth, debris and ballast on the side of
what looks like a depression.

Let me know if anyone thinks that is what I am seeing. That's also a good
way to Photoshop two pics together.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 13:11, Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hm. None of the stuff near South Fork (Penn Central or Souther Cambria)
> had the electric track at roadside with railroad track to the north, did it?
>
> Derrick
>
> On Nov 26, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
>
> > One thing I thought about when I first looked at the photo is that the
> > trolley line construction does not seem up to the usually high
> construction
> > standards of PRCo.
> > It appears as though the tracks are sinking in the mud every time it
> rains.
> > Look at the wheel track marks in the road, next to the trolley tracks,
> and
> > the dark spot which has not yet completely dried from the last rain. PRCo
> > was usually good about keeping standing water off the tracks,
> > notwithstanding general floods, of course.
> > Also, to me, the "1974" on the auto looks superimposed. Maybe not, but it
> > just doesn't look right.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:13, Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 26, 2011, at 11:25, "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What about the Lincoln Highway in the Loyalhanna gorge through Chestnut
> >>> Ridge, with the Ligonier Valley RR adjacent?
> >>>
> >>
> >> what would the rail line with the electric overhead be?
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> >>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> John
> >>> Swindler
> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:38 AM
> >>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How about "east of McKeesport"???
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:20:19 -0800
> >>>> From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com
> >>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
> >>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >>>>
> >>>> I wondered the same about a river, Mr.Swindler.
> >>>> Coupling that with Mr.Barry's comments make the position of RR and
> >>>> Trolley track seemed reversed doesn't it.  RRs often follow river
> >>>> valleys.  Seems to be a rather large yard possible here, or several
> >>>> passing tracks.  The few RR cars seem to be on a grade compared to the
> >>>> "main" in the foreground.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Mr.Brannon noted the foliage; the hill seems steep and high for Pgh.
> >>>> area.  Because of OH reference I
> >>>>
> >>>> thought of Ohio River Valley of Wheeling area.  It has been 5-decades
> >>>> since being that way; I can't remember steepness of hills.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> To reconsider the E-McKeesport link I am looking at the WP maps along
> >>>> the Youghiogheny yet all alignments here seem to put the RR against
> >>>> the river cancelling the alignment in the picture.  I was never along
> >>>> this river so am not familiar with the hills; they would still seem to
> >>>> be lower than those in the picture.
> >>>>
> >>>> The WP map shows "East McKeesport" as between Wilmerding and Trafford.
> >>>> There is a creek/river and RR running east-west; the RR branches to
> >>>> both sides of the river east of E-McKeesport.  This would then suggest
> >>>> the Trafford line.  Hills here seemed to be higher than those closer
> >>>> to Pgh.  Still much of the trolley line allowed the RR closer to the
> >>>> river as I remember, at least latter day alignment.  Mr.Barry may have
> >>>> hit the nail on the head.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "East McKeesport" must be marked on the photograph for it to be
> >>>> included here.  Whether location or address of photographer or other
> >>>> could be debated.
> >>>>
> >>>> It seems the Stewarts left one "key word" out of their
> >>>> description:  "1974"  Anyone familiar with local or PA state license
> >>>> plates in 1906?
> >>>>
> >>>> Has everyone assured their Black Friday deals?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Phil
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 9:29 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: not East McKeesport
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was wondering if there was a river off of the left side of the
> >>> picture????  The collection includes some pix from southern Ohio.
>  Could
> >>> this have been enroute, perhaps around the Steubenville area??  As a
> >>> disclaimer, this is total speculation NOT based on any evidence.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Happy Thanksgiving holiday
> >>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: mrb190 at pitt.edu
> >>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:08:05 -0500
> >>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: not East McKeesport
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The first thing that came to my mind was that it was the Trafford
> >>> route. But, the railroad tracks should be below the streetcar
> tracks....
> >> Not
> >>> sure.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ________________________________________
> >>>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> >>>>>> [pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> >>>>>> Derrick Brashear [shadow at gmail.com]
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:03 PM
> >>>>>> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group
> >>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] not East McKeesport
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> so where the heck is it?
> >>>>>> http://bradystewartphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/20th-Centur
> >>>>>> y-Automobiles-Trucks-and-Boats/G0000flbWWbccdiw/I0000RZxXcxRETYA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Derrick
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Herb Brannon
> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

-- 
Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park