[PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport

Sun Nov 27 18:07:40 EST 2011

Hi Herb

I saw that and thought --  canal?????   Then decided Naaah.  In 1906 whould be more prominent.  

I don't know why I keep thinking Ohio river to left and somewhere between E. Liverpool and Wheeling.  But this is just idle speculation.  Need to consider some other possibilities - like perhaps one of those West Penn operations around Leechburg, or perhaps Westmoreland County Ry.  Wonder if Indiana County Ry followed any railroad in a valley.  What's down around Parkesburg/Marietta area??   Not good to have a pre-conceived notion with this sort of inquiry.

> From: hrbran at cavtel.net
> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:30:25 -0500
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> 
> Now to confuse the issue even more.
> Look very closely at the space between the crude "guardrail" at the side of
> the road and the first railroad track. Look at this area where the last two
> railroad cars are sitting. Between the closest railroad track and the fence
> (in front of and below the hopper car) doesn't there appear to be a
> depressed area running the length of the photo horizontally? Maybe a stream
> or another railroad?? Look through the planks on the "guardrail" fence
> (ignore the plant life below the guardrail fence) and all along that
> horizontal line can be seen plant growth, debris and ballast on the side of
> what looks like a depression.
> 
> Let me know if anyone thinks that is what I am seeing. That's also a good
> way to Photoshop two pics together.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 13:11, Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hm. None of the stuff near South Fork (Penn Central or Souther Cambria)
> > had the electric track at roadside with railroad track to the north, did it?
> >
> > Derrick
> >
> > On Nov 26, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
> >
> > > One thing I thought about when I first looked at the photo is that the
> > > trolley line construction does not seem up to the usually high
> > construction
> > > standards of PRCo.
> > > It appears as though the tracks are sinking in the mud every time it
> > rains.
> > > Look at the wheel track marks in the road, next to the trolley tracks,
> > and
> > > the dark spot which has not yet completely dried from the last rain. PRCo
> > > was usually good about keeping standing water off the tracks,
> > > notwithstanding general floods, of course.
> > > Also, to me, the "1974" on the auto looks superimposed. Maybe not, but it
> > > just doesn't look right.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:13, Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Nov 26, 2011, at 11:25, "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> What about the Lincoln Highway in the Loyalhanna gorge through Chestnut
> > >>> Ridge, with the Ligonier Valley RR adjacent?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> what would the rail line with the electric overhead be?
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> > >>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> > John
> > >>> Swindler
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:38 AM
> > >>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > >>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> How about "east of McKeesport"???
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:20:19 -0800
> > >>>> From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com
> > >>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
> > >>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I wondered the same about a river, Mr.Swindler.
> > >>>> Coupling that with Mr.Barry's comments make the position of RR and
> > >>>> Trolley track seemed reversed doesn't it. RRs often follow river
> > >>>> valleys. Seems to be a rather large yard possible here, or several
> > >>>> passing tracks. The few RR cars seem to be on a grade compared to the
> > >>>> "main" in the foreground.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mr.Brannon noted the foliage; the hill seems steep and high for Pgh.
> > >>>> area. Because of OH reference I
> > >>>>
> > >>>> thought of Ohio River Valley of Wheeling area. It has been 5-decades
> > >>>> since being that way; I can't remember steepness of hills.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> To reconsider the E-McKeesport link I am looking at the WP maps along
> > >>>> the Youghiogheny yet all alignments here seem to put the RR against
> > >>>> the river cancelling the alignment in the picture. I was never along
> > >>>> this river so am not familiar with the hills; they would still seem to
> > >>>> be lower than those in the picture.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The WP map shows "East McKeesport" as between Wilmerding and Trafford.
> > >>>> There is a creek/river and RR running east-west; the RR branches to
> > >>>> both sides of the river east of E-McKeesport. This would then suggest
> > >>>> the Trafford line. Hills here seemed to be higher than those closer
> > >>>> to Pgh. Still much of the trolley line allowed the RR closer to the
> > >>>> river as I remember, at least latter day alignment. Mr.Barry may have
> > >>>> hit the nail on the head.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "East McKeesport" must be marked on the photograph for it to be
> > >>>> included here. Whether location or address of photographer or other
> > >>>> could be debated.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It seems the Stewarts left one "key word" out of their
> > >>>> description: "1974" Anyone familiar with local or PA state license
> > >>>> plates in 1906?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Has everyone assured their Black Friday deals?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Phil
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>> From: John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> > >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 9:29 AM
> > >>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: not East McKeesport
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I was wondering if there was a river off of the left side of the
> > >>> picture???? The collection includes some pix from southern Ohio.
> > Could
> > >>> this have been enroute, perhaps around the Steubenville area?? As a
> > >>> disclaimer, this is total speculation NOT based on any evidence.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Happy Thanksgiving holiday
> > >>>>> John
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> From: mrb190 at pitt.edu
> > >>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > >>>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:08:05 -0500
> > >>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: not East McKeesport
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The first thing that came to my mind was that it was the Trafford
> > >>> route. But, the railroad tracks should be below the streetcar
> > tracks....
> > >> Not
> > >>> sure.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ________________________________________
> > >>>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> > >>>>>> [pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> > >>>>>> Derrick Brashear [shadow at gmail.com]
> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:03 PM
> > >>>>>> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group
> > >>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] not East McKeesport
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> so where the heck is it?
> > >>>>>> http://bradystewartphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/20th-Centur
> > >>>>>> y-Automobiles-Trucks-and-Boats/G0000flbWWbccdiw/I0000RZxXcxRETYA
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Derrick
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Herb Brannon
> > > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Herb Brannon
> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> 
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