[PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport

[Derrick Brashear]

My agenda is no railroad went up Crooked Run. It doesn't matter what my professional career is. it's not on the road from McKeesport to East McKeesport. So I have moved on.

Derrick


On Nov 29, 2011, at 20:14, Phillip Clark Campbell <pcc_sr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
> 
> Attached below is a photo of a 1906 PA plate.  Not exactly what's on the
> front of the car.
> 
> Ed
> 
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/pa1906pass-sm.jpg
> http://bradystewartphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/20th-Century-Automobiles-Trucks-and-Boats/G0000flbWWbccdiw/I0000RZxXcxRETYA
> 
> ________________________________
> I found the same, Mr.Lybarger:
> 
> PA plates were first issued in 1906 but it doesn't state the exact
> date of first issue.  When this auto received its first issue of plates is
> strictly conjecture.  Since there were more applications for plates
> than could be accommodated this auto might not have received
> plates::
> 
> "Pennsylvania state-issued license plates were first issued in 1906.
> The 1906 through 1909 license plates
> actually indicated that the driver,
> not the vehicle, was licensed.   Serial numbers were all-numeric and
> started from
> 1, but even in the first year, registrations exceeded 10,000."
> 
> http://www.ricksplates.com/pennsylvania/papass1.htm#pass06
> 
> "At first, the numbers placed on cars were crude, sometimes
> written right on the vehicle, although more commonly fashioned
> by the owner out of metal, leather, or wood.  Department stores
> began to offer house numbers and leather or metal pads."
> http://porcelainplates.net/history.html
> 
> Apparently the early 1900s saw the first issuance of plates; not all
> were officially issued -- some were home made.  This may 'possibly'
> account for the "1974" number on the auto "plate."
> 
> Cities also issued plates although that "theoretically" stopped in 1906 when
> PA state issued plates.  Yet this URL above indicates Pittsburgh issued
> plates in 1908 -- there could be overlap.  It is beyond our 1906 date.
> 
> Here is a 1914 St.John, PA plate:
> http://porcelainplates.net/gallery_singledigit.html
> 
> Ohio first issued plates in 1906 and forgot to include renewals which was
> corrected in law in 1907.
> 
> Someone mentioned we should not use pre-conceived notions yet this
> whole thread actually started that way -- "...this is Not E-McKeesport."
> We should stick with what is labeled and exhaust all possibilities there.
> Someone doing research for a Pgh. book found trolley tracks on maps of 1930
> near Highland Car House (?) - tracks which never existed in reality.
> Do we know every detail of first construction of trolley lines ca 1900?
> Were temporary tracks installed until more permanent track could
> be aligned?
> 
> The photo in question shows cables running up the hillside; a map I sent
> showed location of cables on the hillside -- due north, even adjacent to
> E.McKeesport.  It seems discussions are pushing 'agendas' more than
> reality.
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/EPghMcKeesportTopo1906.jpg
> 
> Mr.Netzloff; are or were you a professional carrographer?
> 
> MD:
> http://www.ricksplates.com/maryland/mdpass1.htm
> 
> VA:
> http://www.licensepl8s.com/va1.html
> 
> WVA:
> http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/17/plates-license-collection-forbeslife-cx_zog_1218platesus_slide_7.html
> 
> Phil
> 
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