[PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport

[Phillip Clark Campbell]

You are not looking in the right spot, Mr.Brashear.
Please re-read what is written here and check the map:::

> The photo in question shows cables running up the hillside; a map I sent
> showed location of cables on the hillside -- due north, even adjacent to
> E.McKeesport.  It seems discussions are pushing 'agendas' more than
> reality.
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/EPghMcKeesportTopo1906.jpg

Mr.Brannon saw cables running up the side of the mountain in the photo
with the auto - did he not?  What do you see in the map above in the URL above,
which also includes RRs -- And E.McKeesport?  Cables, road, RR all in one place
which also fits the description with the photo doesn't it.
 http://bradystewartphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/20th-Century-Automobiles-Trucks-and-Boats/G0000flbWWbccdiw/I0000RZxXcxRETYA
Phil




________________________________
 From: Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com>
To: "pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org" <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org> 
Cc: "pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org" <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:18 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
 
My agenda is no railroad went up Crooked Run. It doesn't matter what my professional career is. it's not on the road from McKeesport to East McKeesport. So I have moved on.

Derrick


On Nov 29, 2011, at 20:14, Phillip Clark Campbell <pcc_sr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
> 
> Attached below is a photo of a 1906 PA plate.  Not exactly what's on the
> front of the car.
> 
> Ed
> 
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/pa1906pass-sm.jpg
> http://bradystewartphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/20th-Century-Automobiles-Trucks-and-Boats/G0000flbWWbccdiw/I0000RZxXcxRETYA
> 
> ________________________________
> I found the same, Mr.Lybarger:
> 
> PA plates were first issued in 1906 but it doesn't state the exact
> date of first issue.  When this auto received its first issue of plates is
> strictly conjecture.  Since there were more applications for plates
> than could be accommodated this auto might not have received
> plates::
> 
> "Pennsylvania state-issued license plates were first issued in 1906.
> The 1906 through 1909 license plates
> actually indicated that the driver,
> not the vehicle, was licensed.   Serial numbers were all-numeric and
> started from
> 1, but even in the first year, registrations exceeded 10,000."
> 
> http://www.ricksplates.com/pennsylvania/papass1.htm#pass06
> 
> "At first, the numbers placed on cars were crude, sometimes
> written right on the vehicle, although more commonly fashioned
> by the owner out of metal, leather, or wood.  Department stores
> began to offer house numbers and leather or metal pads."
> http://porcelainplates.net/history.html
> 
> Apparently the early 1900s saw the first issuance of plates; not all
> were officially issued -- some were home made.  This may 'possibly'
> account for the "1974" number on the auto "plate."
> 
> Cities also issued plates although that "theoretically" stopped in 1906 when
> PA state issued plates.  Yet this URL above indicates Pittsburgh issued
> plates in 1908 -- there could be overlap.  It is beyond our 1906 date.
> 
> Here is a 1914 St.John, PA plate:
> http://porcelainplates.net/gallery_singledigit.html
> 
> Ohio first issued plates in 1906 and forgot to include renewals which was
> corrected in law in 1907.
> 
> Someone mentioned we should not use pre-conceived notions yet this
> whole thread actually started that way -- "...this is Not E-McKeesport."
> We should stick with what is labeled and exhaust all possibilities there.
> Someone doing research for a Pgh. book found trolley tracks on maps of 1930
> near Highland Car House (?) - tracks which never existed in reality.
> Do we know every detail of first construction of trolley lines ca 1900?
> Were temporary tracks installed until more permanent track could
> be aligned?
> 
> The photo in question shows cables running up the hillside; a map I sent
> showed location of cables on the hillside -- due north, even adjacent to
> E.McKeesport.  It seems discussions are pushing 'agendas' more than
> reality.
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/EPghMcKeesportTopo1906.jpg
> 
> Mr.Netzloff; are or were you a professional carrographer?
> 
> MD:
> http://www.ricksplates.com/maryland/mdpass1.htm
> 
> VA:
> http://www.licensepl8s.com/va1.html
> 
> WVA:
> http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/17/plates-license-collection-forbeslife-cx_zog_1218platesus_slide_7.html
> 
> Phil
> 
>