[PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport

[Herb Brannon]

Amen, brother !

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 20:18, Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com> wrote:

> My agenda is no railroad went up Crooked Run. It doesn't matter what my
> professional career is. it's not on the road from McKeesport to East
> McKeesport. So I have moved on.
>
> Derrick
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 20:14, Phillip Clark Campbell <pcc_sr at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
> >
> > Attached below is a photo of a 1906 PA plate.  Not exactly what's on the
> > front of the car.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/pa1906pass-sm.jpg
> >
> http://bradystewartphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/20th-Century-Automobiles-Trucks-and-Boats/G0000flbWWbccdiw/I0000RZxXcxRETYA
> >
> > ________________________________
> > I found the same, Mr.Lybarger:
> >
> > PA plates were first issued in 1906 but it doesn't state the exact
> > date of first issue.  When this auto received its first issue of plates
> is
> > strictly conjecture.  Since there were more applications for plates
> > than could be accommodated this auto might not have received
> > plates::
> >
> > "Pennsylvania state-issued license plates were first issued in 1906.
> > The 1906 through 1909 license plates
> > actually indicated that the driver,
> > not the vehicle, was licensed.   Serial numbers were all-numeric and
> > started from
> > 1, but even in the first year, registrations exceeded 10,000."
> >
> > http://www.ricksplates.com/pennsylvania/papass1.htm#pass06
> >
> > "At first, the numbers placed on cars were crude, sometimes
> > written right on the vehicle, although more commonly fashioned
> > by the owner out of metal, leather, or wood.  Department stores
> > began to offer house numbers and leather or metal pads."
> > http://porcelainplates.net/history.html
> >
> > Apparently the early 1900s saw the first issuance of plates; not all
> > were officially issued -- some were home made.  This may 'possibly'
> > account for the "1974" number on the auto "plate."
> >
> > Cities also issued plates although that "theoretically" stopped in 1906
> when
> > PA state issued plates.  Yet this URL above indicates Pittsburgh issued
> > plates in 1908 -- there could be overlap.  It is beyond our 1906 date.
> >
> > Here is a 1914 St.John, PA plate:
> > http://porcelainplates.net/gallery_singledigit.html
> >
> > Ohio first issued plates in 1906 and forgot to include renewals which was
> > corrected in law in 1907.
> >
> > Someone mentioned we should not use pre-conceived notions yet this
> > whole thread actually started that way -- "...this is Not E-McKeesport."
> > We should stick with what is labeled and exhaust all possibilities there.
> > Someone doing research for a Pgh. book found trolley tracks on maps of
> 1930
> > near Highland Car House (?) - tracks which never existed in reality.
> > Do we know every detail of first construction of trolley lines ca 1900?
> > Were temporary tracks installed until more permanent track could
> > be aligned?
> >
> > The photo in question shows cables running up the hillside; a map I sent
> > showed location of cables on the hillside -- due north, even adjacent to
> > E.McKeesport.  It seems discussions are pushing 'agendas' more than
> > reality.
> >
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/EPghMcKeesportTopo1906.jpg
> >
> > Mr.Netzloff; are or were you a professional carrographer?
> >
> > MD:
> > http://www.ricksplates.com/maryland/mdpass1.htm
> >
> > VA:
> > http://www.licensepl8s.com/va1.html
> >
> > WVA:
> >
> http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/17/plates-license-collection-forbeslife-cx_zog_1218platesus_slide_7.html
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
>
>
>


-- 
Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park