[PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport

[Derrick Brashear]

wilmerding is not, has never been, and predates east McKeesport. and the railroad is on the wrong side of the valley for the sun. the area where the b&o was below highland grove had no streetcars. I can't reread and provide anything but those two places, and both are still wrong. rereading won't help. 

Derrick


On Nov 29, 2011, at 20:33, Phillip Clark Campbell <pcc_sr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> You are not looking in the right spot, Mr.Brashear.
> Please re-read what is written here and check the map:::
> 
>> The photo in question shows cables running up the hillside; a map I sent
>> showed location of cables on the hillside -- due north, even adjacent to
>> E.McKeesport.  It seems discussions are pushing 'agendas' more than
>> reality.
>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/EPghMcKeesportTopo1906.jpg
> 
> Mr.Brannon saw cables running up the side of the mountain in the photo
> with the auto - did he not?  What do you see in the map above in the URL above,
> which also includes RRs -- And E.McKeesport?  Cables, road, RR all in one place
> which also fits the description with the photo doesn't it.
> http://bradystewartphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/20th-Century-Automobiles-Trucks-and-Boats/G0000flbWWbccdiw/I0000RZxXcxRETYA
> Phil
> 
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> 
> ________________________________
> From: Derrick Brashear <shadow at gmail.com>
> To: "pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org" <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Cc: "pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org" <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:18 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
> 
> My agenda is no railroad went up Crooked Run. It doesn't matter what my professional career is. it's not on the road from McKeesport to East McKeesport. So I have moved on.
> 
> Derrick
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 20:14, Phillip Clark Campbell <pcc_sr at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:32 AM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 'maybe' not East McKeesport
>> 
>> Attached below is a photo of a 1906 PA plate.  Not exactly what's on the
>> front of the car.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/pa1906pass-sm.jpg
>> http://bradystewartphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/20th-Century-Automobiles-Trucks-and-Boats/G0000flbWWbccdiw/I0000RZxXcxRETYA
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> I found the same, Mr.Lybarger:
>> 
>> PA plates were first issued in 1906 but it doesn't state the exact
>> date of first issue.  When this auto received its first issue of plates is
>> strictly conjecture.  Since there were more applications for plates
>> than could be accommodated this auto might not have received
>> plates::
>> 
>> "Pennsylvania state-issued license plates were first issued in 1906.
>> The 1906 through 1909 license plates
>> actually indicated that the driver,
>> not the vehicle, was licensed.   Serial numbers were all-numeric and
>> started from
>> 1, but even in the first year, registrations exceeded 10,000."
>> 
>> http://www.ricksplates.com/pennsylvania/papass1.htm#pass06
>> 
>> "At first, the numbers placed on cars were crude, sometimes
>> written right on the vehicle, although more commonly fashioned
>> by the owner out of metal, leather, or wood.  Department stores
>> began to offer house numbers and leather or metal pads."
>> http://porcelainplates.net/history.html
>> 
>> Apparently the early 1900s saw the first issuance of plates; not all
>> were officially issued -- some were home made.  This may 'possibly'
>> account for the "1974" number on the auto "plate."
>> 
>> Cities also issued plates although that "theoretically" stopped in 1906 when
>> PA state issued plates.  Yet this URL above indicates Pittsburgh issued
>> plates in 1908 -- there could be overlap.  It is beyond our 1906 date.
>> 
>> Here is a 1914 St.John, PA plate:
>> http://porcelainplates.net/gallery_singledigit.html
>> 
>> Ohio first issued plates in 1906 and forgot to include renewals which was
>> corrected in law in 1907.
>> 
>> Someone mentioned we should not use pre-conceived notions yet this
>> whole thread actually started that way -- "...this is Not E-McKeesport."
>> We should stick with what is labeled and exhaust all possibilities there.
>> Someone doing research for a Pgh. book found trolley tracks on maps of 1930
>> near Highland Car House (?) - tracks which never existed in reality.
>> Do we know every detail of first construction of trolley lines ca 1900?
>> Were temporary tracks installed until more permanent track could
>> be aligned?
>> 
>> The photo in question shows cables running up the hillside; a map I sent
>> showed location of cables on the hillside -- due north, even adjacent to
>> E.McKeesport.  It seems discussions are pushing 'agendas' more than
>> reality.
>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/EPghMcKeesportTopo1906.jpg
>> 
>> Mr.Netzloff; are or were you a professional carrographer?
>> 
>> MD:
>> http://www.ricksplates.com/maryland/mdpass1.htm
>> 
>> VA:
>> http://www.licensepl8s.com/va1.html
>> 
>> WVA:
>> http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/17/plates-license-collection-forbeslife-cx_zog_1218platesus_slide_7.html
>> 
>> Phil
>> 
>> 
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