[PRCo] Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Fw: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium, Blue Line outbd at Midvale Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline outbd Fashion Place, DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70, inbound Red Line South Jordan Pkwy

[Ken and Tracie]

Not me, Rich. It was Dwight who wrote that. But I will say I agree with your 
definition.

K.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Allman" <allmanr at verizon.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 3:03 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Fw: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium, 
Blue Line outbd at Midvale Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline outbd 
Fashion Place, DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70, inbound 
Red Line South Jordan Pkwy


> and I disagree w/ you, Ken-what you are describing is not exhibitionism-it
> is a divinely mediated gift-one that sadly I have never received-yet, but
> still hoping! assuming that the "displayer" w/ those dimensions is a
> female...
>
> RICH
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:19 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Fw: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium,
> Blue Line outbd at Midvale Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline 
> outbd
> Fashion Place, DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70, inbound
> Red Line South Jordan Pkwy
>
>
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> I agree with ALMOST everything you say.  However, I disagree with your
>> inclusion of exhibitionists--particularly if they are over 18 and about
>> 36-24-36 in dimensions.
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Richard Allman" <allmanr at verizon.net>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:20 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: [!! SPAM] Re: Fw: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium,
>> Blue Line outbd at Midvale Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline
>> outbd
>> Fashion Place, DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70, 
>> inbound
>> Red Line South Jordan Pkwy
>>
>>
>>> Ken-my understanding from several photo mags is that the following are
>>> restricted for photography(admittedly, probably justified):
>>> 1.nuclear installations;
>>> 2.military installations;
>>> 3.private businesses where trade secrets might be divulged
>>> AND THAT'S IT!
>>> The hospital thing w/ HIPPA relates to UNCONSENTED photos of patients or
>>> records, including unconsented use of non-anonymized radiologic 
>>> images-if
>>> a
>>> patient or their surogate consents then it's legal. That is how such
>>> images
>>> make their way into medical texts, journals, and web sites so my
>>> colleagues
>>> and I can continue to learn.
>>>
>>> I  agree w/ totally supporting transit police in their diligence in
>>> guarding
>>> against muggers, purse snatchers, panhandlers, fare evaders,
>>> exhibitionists,
>>> vandals, grafitti artists, those who smoke, eat and drink in transit
>>> space,
>>> those who put their filthy feet on seats, those who play radios loudly
>>> and
>>> offensively. We must not as photographers enter restricted space without
>>> permission-yards, track, etc. We must not interfere w/ boarding or 
>>> egress
>>> of
>>> passengers. We must not use flash in tunnelswhere it could dazzle and
>>> blind
>>> an operator. In other words, we must be polite, respectful, and show 
>>> good
>>> judgment. Do what our mothers taught us.
>>>
>>> RICH
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Ken and Tracie" <ktjosephson at embarqmail.com>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 12:27 PM
>>> Subject: [!! SPAM] [PRCo] Re: Fw: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium, 
>>> Blue
>>> Line outbd at Midvale Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline outbd
>>> Fashion Place, DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70,
>>> inbound
>>> Red Line South Jordan Pkwy
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rich,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the heads-up. Next time I visit Salt Lake City, I can bring
>>>> the
>>>> Department of Homeland Security training pamphlet I received from my
>>>> employer and hand it to anybody who tells me there is a ban on railroad
>>>> photography. Let him/her show it to me. A few additional thoughts 
>>>> below.
>>>>
>>>> Homeland Security guidelines do indicate that people taking photos of
>>>> trains, taking notes, etc. MAY fit the profile of a terrorist planner.
>>>> That
>>>> noted, the Department of Homeland Security has not (and probably 
>>>> cannot)
>>>> ban
>>>> the photography of railroads.
>>>>
>>>> A coworker told me her Union Pacific engineer boyfriend took some
>>>> Homeland
>>>> Security training courses at work. He is a railfan and he was not happy
>>>> about being told behavior common to railfans fits the Homeland Security
>>>> profile of potential terrorist plotters.
>>>>
>>>> My guess is the UTA employee you encountered was twisting what he was
>>>> (supposedly) taught to suit whatever his motive was to harass you. The
>>>> last
>>>> time I rode the UTA lines with Fred the Third, some young motormen told
>>>> us
>>>> their trains could reach 160 mph if the gearing was changed. I have to
>>>> wonder if the person you encountered was one of them, who had since 
>>>> been
>>>> promoted to supervisor!
>>>>
>>>> There are, however, some publicly owned facilities receiving heavy
>>>> taxpayer
>>>> subsidies which can legally restrict or ban photography. For example,
>>>> publicly owned hospitals can, and must, due to Federal H.I.P.P.A.
>>>> patient
>>>> privacy regulations.
>>>>
>>>> Our airport is public owned and subsidized. But if I refuse to 
>>>> cooperate
>>>> with the TSA people, I don't get to the gates.
>>>>
>>>> The MBTA has had photography restrictions on their property for 
>>>> decades.
>>>> I
>>>> do not know if the Maryland situation has or will have any bearing upon
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> I remember a few years ago, some NJT police or security people were
>>>> harassing railfans by telling them they could not photography NJT 
>>>> trains
>>>> from public property, such as streets or sidewalks. I believe that
>>>> situation
>>>> was rectified. At least I hope it was.
>>>>
>>>> They need to worry more about children and young adults vandalizing the
>>>> stations and equipment and not harass  rail enthusiasts photographing
>>>> their
>>>> trains.
>>>>
>>>> K.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Richard Allman" <allmanr at verizon.net>
>>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:08 PM
>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Fw: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium, Blue Line
>>>> outbd at Midvale Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline outbd
>>>> Fashion
>>>> Place, DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70, inbound Red
>>>> Line
>>>> South Jordan Pkwy
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>>> From: Richard Allman=20
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org ; ptc-11 at comcast.net ; Charles
>>>>> Long
>>>>> =
>>>>> ; Vigrass Bill ; Russ & Mary Jackson ; WEZRail at aol.com ; =
>>>>> Jack.May at americomm.net ; bob.dietrich1 at verizon.net ; Bruce Bente ; =
>>>>> fwschneider at comcast.net ; Charlie - Norwood Light ; Akftrain at aol.com ;
>>>>> =
>>>>> philgcraig204 at yahoo.com ; Miklosfrank at comcast.com=20
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 5:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: Emailing: Blue Line @ Planetarium, Blue Line outbd at Midvale =
>>>>> Center, blueline inbd Fashion Place, Blueline outbd Fashion Place, =
>>>>> DSC_0453_edited-1, Green Line @ Temple Square SD70, inbound Red Line =
>>>>> South Jordan Pkwy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> with apologies to anyone I omitted, or conversely, to anyone who
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> =
>>>>> want these-that is why God created the delete key. Suz and I back from
>>>>> a
>>>>> =
>>>>> fabulous week in Utah. Day one, did some exploring in Temple Square 
>>>>> and
>>>>> =
>>>>> some geneology where I discovered some neat things about my father's =
>>>>> family. Then off to ride UTA, including the two new lines to Daybreak 
>>>>> =
>>>>> and West Valley Central. Although I admit to a huge bias in favor  off
>>>>> =
>>>>> the SD70 cars, I think that SLC, along w/ San Diego and Portland are
>>>>> the
>>>>> =
>>>>> premier LRT operations-all of which use SD70s, along w/ Norfolk. the
>>>>> new
>>>>> =
>>>>> lines are doing ok, especially the shorter-and more interesting Green 
>>>>> =
>>>>> Line to West Valley Central. The Red Line has more modest, though =
>>>>> respectable ridership, but clearly is an investment in the future, =
>>>>> inasmuch as there is a huge amount of construction going on along it, 
>>>>> =
>>>>> including businesses and condo developments. The airport line is =
>>>>> advancing nicely, and more slowly, work on the Sandy-Draper extension
>>>>> is
>>>>> =
>>>>> moving along, w/ some track laid. Three car types-original SD100's, 
>>>>> the
>>>>> =
>>>>> ex-Santa Clara UTDC cars which are used at rush hour, and the 70+ =
>>>>> SD70's-three of which were still under wrap near Fashion Place. The =
>>>>> ridership was robust during our stay since apparently the semi-annual 
>>>>> =
>>>>> Mormon Conference was happening, along w/ a big University of Utah =
>>>>> football game.
>>>>> Has one brief adversarial encounter w/ a transit type who informed me 
>>>>> =
>>>>> that Department of Homeland Security bans photography of railroads. I 
>>>>> =
>>>>> challenged him on that, w/ the full litany about the Maryland
>>>>> situation,
>>>>> =
>>>>> the Amtrak photo contest, so he changed his tune, that photography 
>>>>> only
>>>>> =
>>>>> allowed on the street, since UTA is private property. I informed au =
>>>>> contraire that UTA is a publically owned agency, w/ huge public =
>>>>> subsidies(you're welcome!) He declined to identify himself and was not
>>>>> =
>>>>> wearing a visible name tag though he had a UTA uniform and seemed to 
>>>>> be
>>>>> =
>>>>> some kind of supervisor, but he decided that it was not worth the
>>>>> battle
>>>>> =
>>>>> and told me to be discrete. A 68 year old gray haired grandfather-what
>>>>> =
>>>>> is more discrete than that? Otehrwise only courtesy from UTA, though I
>>>>> =
>>>>> probably will send the UTA GM a complaint about the harassment, along
>>>>> w/
>>>>> =
>>>>> some photos!
>>>>> We went to Bryce Canyon which is breathtaking, drove Scenic Highway 12
>>>>> =
>>>>> which is unforgetable, a night at Sundance-the Robert Redford resort 
>>>>> w/
>>>>> =
>>>>> fabulous hiking and mountain vistas. We needed that after our two
>>>>> nights
>>>>> =
>>>>> near Bryce where we stayed in a hotel not much different from Bates =
>>>>> Motel in Psycho! Only day of rain was the last one(yesterday) when the
>>>>> =
>>>>> attached were taken, but they didn't turn out too bad. Sunnier photos
>>>>> to
>>>>> =
>>>>> follow.
>>>>> Nest week medical meeting in Minneapolis-wonder what I will do in my =
>>>>> free time!
>>>>>
>>>>> RICH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Blue Line @ Planetarium
>>>>> Blue Line outbd at Midvale Center
>>>>> blueline inbd Fashion Place
>>>>> Blueline outbd Fashion Place
>>>>> DSC_0453_edited-1
>>>>> Green Line @ Temple Square SD70
>>>>> inbound Red Line South Jordan Pkwy
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