[PRCo] Re: Fw: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery

Mon Oct 10 21:12:31 EDT 2011

Fred, 
Thank you for your comments and information. I forgot about the original two truss design. I used to walk across the bridge in the winter while I was taking photos of trolleys and the city. I always found the city interesting. 
Ed 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net> 
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:17:48 PM 
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery 

Ed and Ed.... 

The private right-of-way deck on the Smithfield Street Bridge opened December 4, 1905. Cars transferred to it that date from the "public side." Source of information: PRC route cards. 

I would seem obvious that the construction of the tunnel and the additional routes to the South Hills made it necessary to get the streetcars onto their own track. 

This link shows a wide variety of pictures. Apparently, and contrary to what I previously believed and wrote, the upriver span always was narrower than the downstream span and still is. It is only wide enough for a single lane inbound. The outbound bridge has two lanes. The confusion lies in the treatment of the panels in the circa 1915 portals ... there are ten panels on each side creating an optical illusion that both sides are identical. If you measure the width, you find they never did correct it. The trolley span was and still is narrower. 

http://www.brooklineconnection.com/history/Facts/Smithfield.html 

On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote: 

> Don't know just yet, Ed. I'm not near the material and will be traveling 
> this week. I doubt if there was ever four-track operation...just a photo of 
> a new bridge before they took out the other two. 
> 
> I'll find out what I can, but it's heavy travel season for me and that may 
> mean November. 
> 
> Ed 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org 
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of eskuchas 
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:56 PM 
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery 
> 
> Ed, 
> 
> What was the sequence on the Smithfield St bridge? 
> Single width with tracks. 
> Double width with tracks both sides. 
> Double width segregated. 
> What were the transition dates? I am working out of town and Pgh histories 
> are home. Did the changes eventually come about due to consolidation? 
> Thanks 
> 
> Ed 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> On Oct 10, 2011, at 5:47 PM, "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net> 
> wrote: 
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>> This is Don Barnes's private transportation memorabilia collection. I 
>> believe Don is a retired pilot for U S Air. I was in the place in 
>> probably 1994...lots of stuff. I go past it occasionally but haven't 
>> stopped in since. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org 
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dwight Long 
>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 4:42 PM 
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
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>> Can anyone answer Bill's question? This was something new for me. 
>> 
>> Dwight 
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>> To: David Goehring ; Dick Hasselman ; Dwight Long ; Edward H. Lybarger 
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>> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:39 PM 
>> Subject: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery 
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>> All: 
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>> I stumbled upon this picture of a roadside stand at Harlansburg, 
>> = PA on Shorpy.com. I thought "That's interesting. I wonder where = 
>> Harlansburg is." 
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>> So I drew in a Bing birdseye and noted that there was an "old" US 
>> = 
>> 19 so I zoomed in on it to see if I could see remnants of the = 
>> Pittsburgher Inn.'' 
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>> When I did that I said, "Whoa. Them's Railroad Cars, bro!" 
>> 
>> So then I Google Street viewed it and there they were, two = 
>> stainless steel Budds ex PRR and two heavyweight sleepers. 
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>> How about THAT? 
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>> Now, somebody fill us in on the particulars, Please. 
>> 
>> Oh and while we are at it with things Pittsburgh, for the bonus = 
>> round check out the last picture of Smithfield St. Bridge with FOUR = 
>> trolley tracks on it. Anybody know when the two in pavement were 
>> ripped = out? 
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