[PRCo] Re: Fw: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery

Mon Oct 10 23:50:54 EDT 2011

Operating PCC cars over the bridge it was always very noticeable, to me,
that the streetcar side was not as wide as the vehicle side. By looking at
the two arches side by side, not the decorations on them, the difference can
be seen immediately. This difference was also brought up on at least two
different occasions by PATransit Training Instructor Angelo Nazzo while I
was learning the rail system. Angelo was always sharing little tidbits of
PRCo and PATransit operations trivia and the bridge width was one of them.
When constructed with two different widths on each span I will conjecture
that one of two things occurred. Either the City of Pittsburgh saved a lot
of money, or, the contractor pocketed a lot of money.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 19:17, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:

>
> This link shows a wide variety of pictures.    Apparently, and contrary to
> what I previously believed and wrote, the upriver span always was narrower
> than the downstream span and still is.  It is only wide enough for a single
> lane inbound.   The outbound bridge has two lanes.  The confusion lies in
> the treatment of the panels in the circa 1915 portals ... there are ten
> panels on each side creating an optical illusion that both sides are
> identical.   If you measure the width, you find they never did correct it.
> The trolley span was and still is narrower.
>
> http://www.brooklineconnection.com/history/Facts/Smithfield.html
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> On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
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> > Don't know just yet, Ed.  I'm not near the material and will be traveling
> > this week.  I doubt if there was ever four-track operation...just a photo
> of
> > a new bridge before they took out the other two.
> >
> > I'll find out what I can, but it's heavy travel season for me and that
> may
> > mean November.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> eskuchas
> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:56 PM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > What was the sequence on the Smithfield St bridge?
> > Single width with tracks.
> > Double width with tracks both sides.
> > Double width segregated.
> > What were the transition dates?  I am working out of town and Pgh
> histories
> > are home.   Did the changes eventually come about due to consolidation?
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Oct 10, 2011, at 5:47 PM, "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This is Don Barnes's private transportation memorabilia collection.  I
> >> believe Don is a retired pilot for U S Air.  I was in the place in
> >> probably 1994...lots of stuff.  I go past it occasionally but haven't
> >> stopped in since.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Dwight Long
> >> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 4:42 PM
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Fw: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery
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> >> List
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> >> Can anyone answer Bill's question?  This was something new for me.
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----=20
> >> From: bvolkmer=20
> >> To: David Goehring ; Dick Hasselman ; Dwight Long ; Edward H. Lybarger
> >> ; = Wayne Koch=20
> >> Cc: C.K. Leverett ; Dennis Lamont ; Frank Tatnall ; Frank DiBugnara ;
> >> = Fred Schneider ; Henry Raudenbush ; Jack May ; Lew Schneider ; Peter
> >> = Weiglin ; Phil Lind ; Robert B Watson=20
> >> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:39 PM
> >> Subject: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery
> >>
> >>
> >>     All:
> >>
> >>     I stumbled upon this picture of a roadside stand at Harlansburg,
> >> = PA on Shorpy.com.  I thought "That's interesting.  I wonder where =
> >> Harlansburg is."
> >>
> >>     So I drew in a Bing birdseye and noted that there was an "old" US
> >> =
> >> 19 so I zoomed in on it to see if I could see remnants of the =
> >> Pittsburgher Inn.''
> >>
> >>     When I did that I said, "Whoa. Them's Railroad Cars, bro!"
> >>
> >>     So then I Google Street viewed it and there they were, two =
> >> stainless steel Budds ex PRR and two heavyweight sleepers.
> >>
> >>     How about THAT?
> >>
> >>     Now, somebody fill us in on the particulars, Please.
> >>
> >>     Oh and while we are at it with things Pittsburgh, for the bonus =
> >> round check out the last picture of Smithfield St. Bridge with FOUR =
> >> trolley tracks on it. Anybody know when the two in pavement were
> >> ripped = out?
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> >>     WDV=20
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-- 
Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park