[PRCo] Re: Fw: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery

Mon Oct 10 23:53:10 EDT 2011

well, presumably the rail side was constructed to the width it
required, and no more?

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
> Operating PCC cars over the bridge it was always very noticeable, to me,
> that the streetcar side was not as wide as the vehicle side. By looking at
> the two arches side by side, not the decorations on them, the difference can
> be seen immediately. This difference was also brought up on at least two
> different occasions by PATransit Training Instructor Angelo Nazzo while I
> was learning the rail system. Angelo was always sharing little tidbits of
> PRCo and PATransit operations trivia and the bridge width was one of them.
> When constructed with two different widths on each span I will conjecture
> that one of two things occurred. Either the City of Pittsburgh saved a lot
> of money, or, the contractor pocketed a lot of money.
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 19:17, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
>
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>> This link shows a wide variety of pictures.    Apparently, and contrary to
>> what I previously believed and wrote, the upriver span always was narrower
>> than the downstream span and still is.  It is only wide enough for a single
>> lane inbound.   The outbound bridge has two lanes.  The confusion lies in
>> the treatment of the panels in the circa 1915 portals ... there are ten
>> panels on each side creating an optical illusion that both sides are
>> identical.   If you measure the width, you find they never did correct it.
>> The trolley span was and still is narrower.
>>
>> http://www.brooklineconnection.com/history/Facts/Smithfield.html
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>> On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
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>> > Don't know just yet, Ed.  I'm not near the material and will be traveling
>> > this week.  I doubt if there was ever four-track operation...just a photo
>> of
>> > a new bridge before they took out the other two.
>> >
>> > I'll find out what I can, but it's heavy travel season for me and that
>> may
>> > mean November.
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
>> eskuchas
>> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:56 PM
>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Fw: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery
>> >
>> > Ed,
>> >
>> > What was the sequence on the Smithfield St bridge?
>> > Single width with tracks.
>> > Double width with tracks both sides.
>> > Double width segregated.
>> > What were the transition dates?  I am working out of town and Pgh
>> histories
>> > are home.   Did the changes eventually come about due to consolidation?
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Oct 10, 2011, at 5:47 PM, "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is Don Barnes's private transportation memorabilia collection.  I
>> >> believe Don is a retired pilot for U S Air.  I was in the place in
>> >> probably 1994...lots of stuff.  I go past it occasionally but haven't
>> >> stopped in since.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> >> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> Dwight Long
>> >> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 4:42 PM
>> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> >> Subject: [PRCo] Fw: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery
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>> >> List
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>> >> Can anyone answer Bill's question?  This was something new for me.
>> >>
>> >> Dwight
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> >> From: bvolkmer=20
>> >> To: David Goehring ; Dick Hasselman ; Dwight Long ; Edward H. Lybarger
>> >> ; = Wayne Koch=20
>> >> Cc: C.K. Leverett ; Dennis Lamont ; Frank Tatnall ; Frank DiBugnara ;
>> >> = Fred Schneider ; Henry Raudenbush ; Jack May ; Lew Schneider ; Peter
>> >> = Weiglin ; Phil Lind ; Robert B Watson=20
>> >> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:39 PM
>> >> Subject: Harlansburg, PA Then and Now Amazing Discovery
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>     All:
>> >>
>> >>     I stumbled upon this picture of a roadside stand at Harlansburg,
>> >> = PA on Shorpy.com.  I thought "That's interesting.  I wonder where =
>> >> Harlansburg is."
>> >>
>> >>     So I drew in a Bing birdseye and noted that there was an "old" US
>> >> =
>> >> 19 so I zoomed in on it to see if I could see remnants of the =
>> >> Pittsburgher Inn.''
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>> >>     When I did that I said, "Whoa. Them's Railroad Cars, bro!"
>> >>
>> >>     So then I Google Street viewed it and there they were, two =
>> >> stainless steel Budds ex PRR and two heavyweight sleepers.
>> >>
>> >>     How about THAT?
>> >>
>> >>     Now, somebody fill us in on the particulars, Please.
>> >>
>> >>     Oh and while we are at it with things Pittsburgh, for the bonus =
>> >> round check out the last picture of Smithfield St. Bridge with FOUR =
>> >> trolley tracks on it. Anybody know when the two in pavement were
>> >> ripped = out?
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>> >>     WDV=20
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> Herb Brannon
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Derrick