[PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit

[Edward H. Lybarger]

Yes.  I knew someone would ask!  File attached.
-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Derrick
Brashear
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:16 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Stephen Titchenal <stephen at titchenal.com>
wrote:
> Thanks for the maps. The "route plan edgeworth - baden" seems to be 
> the more geographically accurate of the two. I was able to 
> georeference it and it pretty much followed the Duff Rd. routing.

incidentally, does that route plan continue north?

> I'm off to a Mapping conference so I won't be able to look into 
> anything further for a couple of days.

which one?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> Edward H. Lybarger
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:11 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>
> Agreed!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dwight Long
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:19 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>
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> Ed
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> The maps are completely consistent with what I have always understood 
> was the routing of BVT and P&B through the area in question.  I think 
> we can close this file!
>
> Dwight
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:56 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>
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>>I managed to find time to grab scans of two maps, attached.
>> Also to download and print out PennPilot images.  On APQ-29-21 the  
>>pollution  from the mill across the river is light enough that I can 
>>easily make out  the old alignment of the road south of Baden, but 
>>there's no evidence of a  car line.  I'm thinking the new highway was 
>>built along the car line,  rather  than the other way around, through 
>>this area.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Edward H. Lybarger
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:29 AM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>>
>> Would that have been the old road rather than a car line?  I wish I 
>> had all my resources handy!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Stephen Titchenal
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:05 AM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>>
>> And the 1939 Aerial clearly shows a right-of-way along the same route 
>> as the
>> 1908 topo - that is actually what I traced. There is not much sign of 
>> it on a current aerial or DEM.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Stephen Titchenal
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:55 AM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>>
>> A more careful comparison of the 1916 Beaver County Map and the 1908 
>> Selwickley topo south of Baden:
>> In 1908 only what seems to become Beaver Rd in Ambridge is shown with 
>> all the convolusions I traced.
>> In 1916 the south of Baden the first jog west is still be there - 
>> near the current State St/Ehman Ave to what is now labeled Legionville
Rd.
>> (Legionville Rd appears to take a different route through that area - 
>> there was a spur from the PRR there as well) From there south the 
>> 1916 map shows
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>> a
>> straight road and trolley line that appears to enter Ambridge at Duss Rd.
>> The "convoluted" Beaver Rd from the 1908 topo does not show. The 
>> trolley line is east of that road until about the current Keystone 
>> Rd/Beaver Rd intersection where is crosses to the west side and 
>> disappears at the Ambridge town border.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Stephen Titchenal
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:10 AM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>>
>> The convolutions south of Baden are based on the 1908 Sewickley topo 
>> and
>> 1916 Beaver County maps. I am not sure when State St/Duss Ave was 
>> straighten south of Baden. Is the "company map" the one in the 
>> Rohrbeck book? That map does not have a date or attribution. The map 
>> does not show the convolutions
>> - perhaps because of a later routing?
>>
>> Do you have any details on the end of the line in Edgeworth?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Edward H. Lybarger
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:21 AM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Beaver Valley Transit
>>
>> Hi, Steve,
>>
>> I don't understand all the convolutions you're showing through 
>> Ambridge and Harmony Township.  The company maps clearly show a 
>> routing along Merchant, 14th, and Duss Avenue all the way out.  
>> Rohrbeck's book confuses a bit by calling Duss Avenue "Beaver Road," 
>> but the car line was on Beaver Road only at the east end of town.  
>> Likewise I don't get the zigzag at the west
>> (north) end of your map...the line was on the main street -- Duss 
>> Avenue through Ambridge and Harmony Twp., State Street in Baden.  
>> Beaver Road dead-ends in Harmony Twp.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Ed
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Stephen Titchenal
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 12:48 PM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Beaver Valley Transit
>>
>> I'm trying to locate the route of the Beaver Valley Transit System in 
>> the Ambridge - Edgeworth area.
>> Attached is a kmz (Google Earth file) and a screen shot with my best 
>> guess based on information from Beaver County Trolleys (Rohrbeck 
>> 1985) and various historic topos, aerials and county maps.
>>
>> What was the route through Ambridge? Rohrbeck's map shows it leaving 
>> Beaver Rd/Duss Ave for Merchant St. My guess was using 14th St., 
>> because 11th was not yet built based on the 1908 topo. It is also 
>> possible that BVT used its own right-of-way.
>>
>> Where did it end in Leetsdale/Edgeworth?
>>
>> I am not sure when State St/Duss Ave/Beaver Rd was straightened south 
>> of Baden. The early maps show a jog east near current Ehman Ave. Was 
>> BVT's route changed? Rohrbeck's map does not show the jog, but the 
>> topo and county maps do.
>>
>> In the Beaver Falls area the original bridge used by the BVT across 
>> the Beaver River (Bridge St to 3rd Ave) must have been removed at the 
>> time of the PRR relocation in 1926. How did the BVT cross the river after
that?
>>
>> Thanks for any help with sources.
>>
>> If you wish to keep up with my right-of-way research in the 
>> Pittsburgh area, I am sharing a Google Map file and updating it 
>> irregularly. If you have a smart phone that supports Google Earth, 
>> you can add this shared file to your "My Maps" and actually follow it 
>> in the field. There are many paths, so the web-based Google Maps does 
>> not displays them in sections. It is better to use the kml link to 
>> view in Google Earth.
>>
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> http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=204661335735556483333.0004a5
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>> This is a continual work in progress, but new sources of information 
>> are always welcome. Some routes are more fully researched than 
>> others. I am still struggling with the easiest way to manage changes 
>> to routes over time.
>> When I convert this to a GIS database, changes will be easier to manage.
>>
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