[PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen

[Fred Schneider]

What do you mean by a shuttle, Dwight.   Each and every line goes  back and forth from end to end line the "shuttle" in a loom except for a few in the east end which, like crazy people, ran around in circles.   :<)
>From June 6, 1913 until June 11, 1914 route 12 ran downtown.  Then it was shorted to a Norside terminal.  Sometime in the late 1930s or early 1940s it again reverted to a north side only route.  

By the way, after route 63 Corey Avenue quit, 12 was the last line in the system to use double-end cars.   


On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Dwight Long wrote:

> Ed
> 
> 30 April 1966 was the last day.
> 
> The 1952 date may have been coincident with its conversion to PCC 
> operation--a few 1600 series cars received braking enhancements for this 
> service around then--I'd have to check files to get a more specific date, 
> but the timing seems right.
> 
> Any ideas on Rt. 12 re my earlier post about its conversion to shuttle only?
> 
> Dwight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 5:29 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen
> 
> 
>> The following is what we have been led to believe.  The date doesn't 
>> match,
>> though, and our thought is incomplete, as well.  Any assistance will be
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> 21  Fineview (3.0 miles; April 30, 1966, RT 18 min.)  This route featured
>> the steepest grades on the PRCo system (over 12 percent).  The inbound
>> routing was shared with Route 8 - Perrysville, but the outbound route was 
>> a
>> single track that left Route 8 just north of the North Side business
>> district and soon ascended a 12 percent grade.  Route 21 did not enter
>> Downtown until June 9, 1952, when its loop was extended from Federal -
>> Lacock - Sandusky - General Robinson - Federal Streets to Federal - 
>> Lacock -
>> Sandusky - 7th Street Bridge - Penn - 6th -
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Fred
>> Schneider
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:48 PM
>> To: Pittsburgh Railways
>> Subject: [PRCo] 4366 on Nevergreen
>> 
>> The curious thing about this item, Barry,
>> 
>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PghPress_10_20_51.JPG
>> 
>> is that the route cards showed route 12 making a Sandusky, Lacock, 
>> Anderson,
>> 9th St. Bridge, 9th St., Penn Avenue., Sandusky St., North Avenue loop in
>> 1928 and the same in 1936-1937.   Then the transit guides in the early 
>> 1940s
>> showed the route truncated on the North Side (like 21, it no longer went
>> downtown).
>> 
>> Now does anyone have schedules that show when service to downtown was
>> restored?
>> 
>> By the way, there is another curious thing....   4366 was probably the 
>> last
>> double-end yellow car to every have been fully repainted.  I remember 
>> seeing
>> a color slide taken by John Seibert at Keating about 1950-1951 of that car
>> in absolutely pristine paint.
>> 
>> 
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