[PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen

[Dwight Long]

Fred

Since my grandfather was the head of the handweaving department at the 
Penland School of Handicrafts, I am well familiar with shuttles, and in fact 
have used a few of them myself.

And also BTW, the double end Jones car that made the last run on Rt. 12 was 
the car that took us back to Pittsburgh after we had moved M-1, 3756 and WP 
832 to Arden in 1954.

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:27 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen


> What do you mean by a shuttle, Dwight.   Each and every line goes  back 
> and forth from end to end line the "shuttle" in a loom except for a few in 
> the east end which, like crazy people, ran around in circles.   :<)
> From June 6, 1913 until June 11, 1914 route 12 ran downtown.  Then it was 
> shorted to a Norside terminal.  Sometime in the late 1930s or early 1940s 
> it again reverted to a north side only route.
>
> By the way, after route 63 Corey Avenue quit, 12 was the last line in the 
> system to use double-end cars.
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Dwight Long wrote:
>
>> Ed
>>
>> 30 April 1966 was the last day.
>>
>> The 1952 date may have been coincident with its conversion to PCC
>> operation--a few 1600 series cars received braking enhancements for this
>> service around then--I'd have to check files to get a more specific date,
>> but the timing seems right.
>>
>> Any ideas on Rt. 12 re my earlier post about its conversion to shuttle 
>> only?
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 5:29 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen
>>
>>
>>> The following is what we have been led to believe.  The date doesn't
>>> match,
>>> though, and our thought is incomplete, as well.  Any assistance will be
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> 21  Fineview (3.0 miles; April 30, 1966, RT 18 min.)  This route 
>>> featured
>>> the steepest grades on the PRCo system (over 12 percent).  The inbound
>>> routing was shared with Route 8 - Perrysville, but the outbound route 
>>> was
>>> a
>>> single track that left Route 8 just north of the North Side business
>>> district and soon ascended a 12 percent grade.  Route 21 did not enter
>>> Downtown until June 9, 1952, when its loop was extended from Federal -
>>> Lacock - Sandusky - General Robinson - Federal Streets to Federal -
>>> Lacock -
>>> Sandusky - 7th Street Bridge - Penn - 6th -
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Fred
>>> Schneider
>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:48 PM
>>> To: Pittsburgh Railways
>>> Subject: [PRCo] 4366 on Nevergreen
>>>
>>> The curious thing about this item, Barry,
>>>
>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PghPress_10_20_51.JPG
>>>
>>> is that the route cards showed route 12 making a Sandusky, Lacock,
>>> Anderson,
>>> 9th St. Bridge, 9th St., Penn Avenue., Sandusky St., North Avenue loop 
>>> in
>>> 1928 and the same in 1936-1937.   Then the transit guides in the early
>>> 1940s
>>> showed the route truncated on the North Side (like 21, it no longer went
>>> downtown).
>>>
>>> Now does anyone have schedules that show when service to downtown was
>>> restored?
>>>
>>> By the way, there is another curious thing....   4366 was probably the
>>> last
>>> double-end yellow car to every have been fully repainted.  I remember
>>> seeing
>>> a color slide taken by John Seibert at Keating about 1950-1951 of that 
>>> car
>>> in absolutely pristine paint.
>>>
>>>
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