[PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen

[Edward H. Lybarger]

Yes.  That's what that date is in the document I got this from.  Now if I
had only gotten the correct route in the first place...

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[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight
Long
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:10 PM
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Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen

Ed

30 April 1966 was the last day.

The 1952 date may have been coincident with its conversion to PCC
operation--a few 1600 series cars received braking enhancements for this
service around then--I'd have to check files to get a more specific date,
but the timing seems right.

Any ideas on Rt. 12 re my earlier post about its conversion to shuttle only?

Dwight

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 5:29 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen


> The following is what we have been led to believe.  The date doesn't 
> match,
> though, and our thought is incomplete, as well.  Any assistance will be
> appreciated.
>
> 21  Fineview (3.0 miles; April 30, 1966, RT 18 min.)  This route featured
> the steepest grades on the PRCo system (over 12 percent).  The inbound
> routing was shared with Route 8 - Perrysville, but the outbound route was 
> a
> single track that left Route 8 just north of the North Side business
> district and soon ascended a 12 percent grade.  Route 21 did not enter
> Downtown until June 9, 1952, when its loop was extended from Federal -
> Lacock - Sandusky - General Robinson - Federal Streets to Federal - 
> Lacock -
> Sandusky - 7th Street Bridge - Penn - 6th -
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Fred
> Schneider
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:48 PM
> To: Pittsburgh Railways
> Subject: [PRCo] 4366 on Nevergreen
>
> The curious thing about this item, Barry,
>
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PghPress_10_20_51.JPG
>
> is that the route cards showed route 12 making a Sandusky, Lacock, 
> Anderson,
> 9th St. Bridge, 9th St., Penn Avenue., Sandusky St., North Avenue loop in
> 1928 and the same in 1936-1937.   Then the transit guides in the early 
> 1940s
> showed the route truncated on the North Side (like 21, it no longer went
> downtown).
>
> Now does anyone have schedules that show when service to downtown was
> restored?
>
> By the way, there is another curious thing....   4366 was probably the 
> last
> double-end yellow car to every have been fully repainted.  I remember 
> seeing
> a color slide taken by John Seibert at Keating about 1950-1951 of that car
> in absolutely pristine paint.
>
>