[PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen

[Fred Schneider]

That is what the picture implies to me....

They would not run it into the triangle to get the police to look at the car if they didn't have to.   Be foolish wouldn't it?   Must have been a regular service route 12 car and a regular service Hound.   

And wouldn't you like to have that PD 3751 Hound to have fun driving????   Come to think about it, it would take a little too much No. 2 diesel for my budget.   

Yes guys, there was a time when I was also a card carrying member of the Motor Bus Society and its predecessor organization.   That was almost 60 years ago.    The first bus I ever drove was when I bluffed a state trooper in a snow storm.  He wanted it moved and wanted to know why the driver abandoned it.   Then he wanted to know if I knew how.   And with all bravado that an 18 year old kid could muster, I said, "Sure, I know how."  And I put the bus where the cop wanted it.  

On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Dwight Long wrote:

> 
> Ed/Fred
> 
> So what this implies is that even at the end Rt. 12 came down into the 
> triangle?  I'm not disputing it;  I never got around to riding it.  I simply 
> thought that at the end it was a shuttle over the portion of the line 
> outward from the Rt. 10 junction.  I take it from this that such was not the 
> case?
> 
> Dwight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:40 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen
> 
> 
>> Because I'm getting older and still try to do too many things at the same
>> time.
>> 
>> Here's what we have on 12:
>> 
>> 12  Evergreen  (____ miles, December 5, 1953, RT 17 min.)  Route 12 was a
>> double-end car route originating on Evergreen Road a short distance off 
>> East
>> Street, and following Route 10 to and from the city.  Cars entered over 
>> the
>> 9th Street Bridge, looping via Penn and leaving via 7th.  Interurban cars 
>> of
>> the Pittsburgh Harmony Butler & New Castle Railway shared these PRCo's
>> tracks until August 1931.  Route 12 was the last PRCo route to use
>> double-end cars.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Fred
>> Schneider
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:28 PM
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen
>> 
>> How did 12 get changed to 21?
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
>> 
>>> The following is what we have been led to believe.  The date doesn't
>>> match, though, and our thought is incomplete, as well.  Any assistance
>>> will be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> 21  Fineview (3.0 miles; April 30, 1966, RT 18 min.)  This route
>>> featured the steepest grades on the PRCo system (over 12 percent).
>>> The inbound routing was shared with Route 8 - Perrysville, but the
>>> outbound route was a single track that left Route 8 just north of the
>>> North Side business district and soon ascended a 12 percent grade.
>>> Route 21 did not enter Downtown until June 9, 1952, when its loop was
>>> extended from Federal - Lacock - Sandusky - General Robinson - Federal
>>> Streets to Federal - Lacock - Sandusky - 7th Street Bridge - Penn -
>>> 6th -
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Fred Schneider
>>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:48 PM
>>> To: Pittsburgh Railways
>>> Subject: [PRCo] 4366 on Nevergreen
>>> 
>>> The curious thing about this item, Barry,
>>> 
>>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PghPress_10_20_51.
>>> JPG
>>> 
>>> is that the route cards showed route 12 making a Sandusky, Lacock,
>>> Anderson, 9th St. Bridge, 9th St., Penn Avenue., Sandusky St., North
>> Avenue loop in
>>> 1928 and the same in 1936-1937.   Then the transit guides in the early
>> 1940s
>>> showed the route truncated on the North Side (like 21, it no longer went
>>> downtown).
>>> 
>>> Now does anyone have schedules that show when service to downtown was
>>> restored?
>>> 
>>> By the way, there is another curious thing....   4366 was probably the
>> last
>>> double-end yellow car to every have been fully repainted.  I remember
>>> seeing a color slide taken by John Seibert at Keating about 1950-1951 of
>> that car
>>> in absolutely pristine paint.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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