[PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen

[Dwight Long]

Ed/Fred

So what this implies is that even at the end Rt. 12 came down into the 
triangle?  I'm not disputing it;  I never got around to riding it.  I simply 
thought that at the end it was a shuttle over the portion of the line 
outward from the Rt. 10 junction.  I take it from this that such was not the 
case?

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen


> Because I'm getting older and still try to do too many things at the same
> time.
>
> Here's what we have on 12:
>
> 12  Evergreen  (____ miles, December 5, 1953, RT 17 min.)  Route 12 was a
> double-end car route originating on Evergreen Road a short distance off 
> East
> Street, and following Route 10 to and from the city.  Cars entered over 
> the
> 9th Street Bridge, looping via Penn and leaving via 7th.  Interurban cars 
> of
> the Pittsburgh Harmony Butler & New Castle Railway shared these PRCo's
> tracks until August 1931.  Route 12 was the last PRCo route to use
> double-end cars.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Fred
> Schneider
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:28 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen
>
> How did 12 get changed to 21?
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
>
>> The following is what we have been led to believe.  The date doesn't
>> match, though, and our thought is incomplete, as well.  Any assistance
>> will be appreciated.
>>
>> 21  Fineview (3.0 miles; April 30, 1966, RT 18 min.)  This route
>> featured the steepest grades on the PRCo system (over 12 percent).
>> The inbound routing was shared with Route 8 - Perrysville, but the
>> outbound route was a single track that left Route 8 just north of the
>> North Side business district and soon ascended a 12 percent grade.
>> Route 21 did not enter Downtown until June 9, 1952, when its loop was
>> extended from Federal - Lacock - Sandusky - General Robinson - Federal
>> Streets to Federal - Lacock - Sandusky - 7th Street Bridge - Penn -
>> 6th -
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
>> Fred Schneider
>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:48 PM
>> To: Pittsburgh Railways
>> Subject: [PRCo] 4366 on Nevergreen
>>
>> The curious thing about this item, Barry,
>>
>> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PghPress_10_20_51.
>> JPG
>>
>> is that the route cards showed route 12 making a Sandusky, Lacock,
>> Anderson, 9th St. Bridge, 9th St., Penn Avenue., Sandusky St., North
> Avenue loop in
>> 1928 and the same in 1936-1937.   Then the transit guides in the early
> 1940s
>> showed the route truncated on the North Side (like 21, it no longer went
>> downtown).
>>
>> Now does anyone have schedules that show when service to downtown was
>> restored?
>>
>> By the way, there is another curious thing....   4366 was probably the
> last
>> double-end yellow car to every have been fully repainted.  I remember
>> seeing a color slide taken by John Seibert at Keating about 1950-1951 of
> that car
>> in absolutely pristine paint.
>>
>>
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