[PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen

[Edward H. Lybarger]

Because I'm getting older and still try to do too many things at the same
time.

Here's what we have on 12:

12  Evergreen  (____ miles, December 5, 1953, RT 17 min.)  Route 12 was a
double-end car route originating on Evergreen Road a short distance off East
Street, and following Route 10 to and from the city.  Cars entered over the
9th Street Bridge, looping via Penn and leaving via 7th.  Interurban cars of
the Pittsburgh Harmony Butler & New Castle Railway shared these PRCo's
tracks until August 1931.  Route 12 was the last PRCo route to use
double-end cars.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Fred
Schneider
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 7:28 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: 4366 on Nevergreen

How did 12 get changed to 21?


On Feb 13, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:

> The following is what we have been led to believe.  The date doesn't 
> match, though, and our thought is incomplete, as well.  Any assistance 
> will be appreciated.
> 
> 21  Fineview (3.0 miles; April 30, 1966, RT 18 min.)  This route 
> featured the steepest grades on the PRCo system (over 12 percent).  
> The inbound routing was shared with Route 8 - Perrysville, but the 
> outbound route was a single track that left Route 8 just north of the 
> North Side business district and soon ascended a 12 percent grade.  
> Route 21 did not enter Downtown until June 9, 1952, when its loop was 
> extended from Federal - Lacock - Sandusky - General Robinson - Federal 
> Streets to Federal - Lacock - Sandusky - 7th Street Bridge - Penn - 
> 6th -
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementix.org] On Behalf Of 
> Fred Schneider
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:48 PM
> To: Pittsburgh Railways
> Subject: [PRCo] 4366 on Nevergreen
> 
> The curious thing about this item, Barry,
> 
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PghPress_10_20_51.
> JPG
> 
> is that the route cards showed route 12 making a Sandusky, Lacock, 
> Anderson, 9th St. Bridge, 9th St., Penn Avenue., Sandusky St., North
Avenue loop in
> 1928 and the same in 1936-1937.   Then the transit guides in the early
1940s
> showed the route truncated on the North Side (like 21, it no longer went
> downtown).   
> 
> Now does anyone have schedules that show when service to downtown was 
> restored?
> 
> By the way, there is another curious thing....   4366 was probably the
last
> double-end yellow car to every have been fully repainted.  I remember 
> seeing a color slide taken by John Seibert at Keating about 1950-1951 of
that car
> in absolutely pristine paint.   
> 
>