[PRCo] Re: PRC Rt. 23

[Dwight Long]

John

You are no doubt on to something, as my recollection is that at the time the 
substitution was "trial."  One would have thought that the "trial" would not 
have lasted as long as the track and OHL did.

Dwight

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:28 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRC Rt. 23


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> Maybe the track and overhead remained to avoid "abandonment" of those rail 
> services.  The PUC docket would have to be checked to see what sort of 
> abandonment petition was filed by PRC.  Also to see what sort of authority 
> was granted for replacement bus service.
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>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRC Rt. 23
>> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:05:42 -0500
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>> Phil
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>> I sent, a few minutes ago, an email to the list which may help in zeroing 
>> in on the installation of the curves at the end of the tunnel which I had 
>> assumed had been there "forever."
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>> The tracks on West Carson were indeed removed some time after my last 
>> ride over them, which was in February 1954, but well before the 
>> bustitution of the West End lines in 1959. The street was repaved in 
>> concrete with the rails removed first. It was unrelated to construction 
>> of the Penn Lincoln Parkway Bridge.
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>> While you are perhaps correct that OHL often comes down soon after 
>> cessation of tram service, particularly in this day and age of high 
>> copper prices and propensity of thieves to attack railway installations 
>> to "salvage" it, this was not always the case with PRC. For instance, 
>> after the discontinuance of rail service on Rt. 20 in 1951, both the 
>> track and OHL remained intact for at least five more years, and maybe all 
>> the way to PAT. I don't recall when the OHL was finally salvaged, but I 
>> remember marveling at the fact that it was intact for so long and noting 
>> that to restore rail service on Rts. 17 and 20, all that would have been 
>> required would have been the installation of a southwest to northwest 
>> curve (only one) at the junction of Rts. 17 and 20 and a northwest to 
>> southwest curve off Sandusky to General Robinson (again, only one needed) 
>> But this never happened, possibly because of the potential scheduling 
>> difficulty that would have resulted from the long stretch !
>> of single track on General Robinson and Shore. So why did the OHL remain 
>> so long? I really don't know, but it did. I've also seen the paradoxical 
>> situation, but can't quote time and place, where street tracks were paved 
>> over but OHL was left intact!
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>> Dwight
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>> From: Phillip Clark Campbell
>> Sent: Tuesday, 21 February, 2012 08:02
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRC Rt. 23
>> I understand now, Mr.Long; you are erring on the side of caution.
>> This presents a challenge in getting pictures to you. One can
>> include your email address in CC: when sending the pictures;
>> this may be the best -- if one remembers.
>> The list has apparently worked with the Url clicks for some time,
>> and successfully. They are clearly identified on the bottom of the
>> page. To my knowledge none of these Urls have caused anyone
>> problems.
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>> Now that we share the fact that the turns to W.Carson from the
>> Tunnel are a latter 1940s addition it clears the air on accessibility to 
>> West
>> End from tunnel doesn't it. I have some ideas I would like to share
>> for your consideration. Our deductions do "not" prove anything
>> but rather suggest an area to investigate for the facts. I shall
>> send these in another email. I need to re-read some recent emails
>> and search for some that are missing. Apparently yahoo is
>> experiencing hiccups again // still; about half-dozen emails from
>> the last day or two have not arrived. I checked the Pgh. website after
>> being alerted.
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>> Please note the Intersection of Smithfield and Carson remained
>> "intact" -- track and overhead -- until pat days when the overhead was
>> simplified. Construction for the 'new' point bridge may have severed
>> the link on Carson but as trolleys did not operate there I did not see
>> it. Overhead often comes down very fast when some area is taken
>> out of service. Track removal is another matter isn't it. Paving over
>> is often the 'remedy' isn't it!
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>> If Smithfield was discussed recently as an alternative for West End lines
>> my apologies for not reading. I don't remember these emails; I do
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>> remember that this alternative is in the archives so I either skipped 
>> these
>> or did not read them. The discussion about the turns from Tunnel to
>> W.Carson is also a part of the archives, it has been discussed before.
>> I just remember the latter 1940s, not the specific date.
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>> Phil
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:49 PM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRC Rt. 23
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>> Phil
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>> I am well aware that the links are there. The photos are not there. My 
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>> granpappy done tole me, "Son, never klik on links. There be dragons 
>> there."
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>> It is my practice to embed them in my emails but the dreaded villainous
>> Ecartis sees that such is never carried out when the message arrives at 
>> the
>> computers of the addressees.
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>> Dwight
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