[PRCo] Re: PRC Rt. 23

[John Swindler]

Speaking of "trial", SEPTA routes 23, 56 and 6?? were 'trial' bus substitutions - and might still be a 'trial'.  Someone would have to browse thru the minutes for the SEPTA board over past 20 plus years.
 

 

> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRC Rt. 23
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:08:19 -0500
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> 
> John
> 
> You are no doubt on to something, as my recollection is that at the time the 
> substitution was "trial." One would have thought that the "trial" would not 
> have lasted as long as the track and OHL did.
> 
> Dwight
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:28 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRC Rt. 23
> 
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> > Maybe the track and overhead remained to avoid "abandonment" of those rail 
> > services. The PUC docket would have to be checked to see what sort of 
> > abandonment petition was filed by PRC. Also to see what sort of authority 
> > was granted for replacement bus service.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRC Rt. 23
> >> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:05:42 -0500
> >>
> >> Phil
> >>
> >> I sent, a few minutes ago, an email to the list which may help in zeroing 
> >> in on the installation of the curves at the end of the tunnel which I had 
> >> assumed had been there "forever."
> >>
> >> The tracks on West Carson were indeed removed some time after my last 
> >> ride over them, which was in February 1954, but well before the 
> >> bustitution of the West End lines in 1959. The street was repaved in 
> >> concrete with the rails removed first. It was unrelated to construction 
> >> of the Penn Lincoln Parkway Bridge.
> >>
> >> While you are perhaps correct that OHL often comes down soon after 
> >> cessation of tram service, particularly in this day and age of high 
> >> copper prices and propensity of thieves to attack railway installations 
> >> to "salvage" it, this was not always the case with PRC. For instance, 
> >> after the discontinuance of rail service on Rt. 20 in 1951, both the 
> >> track and OHL remained intact for at least five more years, and maybe all 
> >> the way to PAT. I don't recall when the OHL was finally salvaged, but I 
> >> remember marveling at the fact that it was intact for so long and noting 
> >> that to restore rail service on Rts. 17 and 20, all that would have been 
> >> required would have been the installation of a southwest to northwest 
> >> curve (only one) at the junction of Rts. 17 and 20 and a northwest to 
> >> southwest curve off Sandusky to General Robinson (again, only one needed) 
> >> But this never happened, possibly because of the potential scheduling 
> >> difficulty that would have resulted from the long stretch !
> >> of single track on General Robinson and Shore. So why did the OHL remain 
> >> so long? I really don't know, but it did. I've also seen the paradoxical 
> >> situation, but can't quote time and place, where street tracks were paved 
> >> over but OHL was left intact!
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Phillip Clark Campbell
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 21 February, 2012 08:02
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRC Rt. 23
> >> I understand now, Mr.Long; you are erring on the side of caution.
> >> This presents a challenge in getting pictures to you. One can
> >> include your email address in CC: when sending the pictures;
> >> this may be the best -- if one remembers.
> >> The list has apparently worked with the Url clicks for some time,
> >> and successfully. They are clearly identified on the bottom of the
> >> page. To my knowledge none of these Urls have caused anyone
> >> problems.
> >>
> >>
> >> Now that we share the fact that the turns to W.Carson from the
> >> Tunnel are a latter 1940s addition it clears the air on accessibility to 
> >> West
> >> End from tunnel doesn't it. I have some ideas I would like to share
> >> for your consideration. Our deductions do "not" prove anything
> >> but rather suggest an area to investigate for the facts. I shall
> >> send these in another email. I need to re-read some recent emails
> >> and search for some that are missing. Apparently yahoo is
> >> experiencing hiccups again // still; about half-dozen emails from
> >> the last day or two have not arrived. I checked the Pgh. website after
> >> being alerted.
> >>
> >>
> >> Please note the Intersection of Smithfield and Carson remained
> >> "intact" -- track and overhead -- until pat days when the overhead was
> >> simplified. Construction for the 'new' point bridge may have severed
> >> the link on Carson but as trolleys did not operate there I did not see
> >> it. Overhead often comes down very fast when some area is taken
> >> out of service. Track removal is another matter isn't it. Paving over
> >> is often the 'remedy' isn't it!
> >>
> >> If Smithfield was discussed recently as an alternative for West End lines
> >> my apologies for not reading. I don't remember these emails; I do
> >>
> >> remember that this alternative is in the archives so I either skipped 
> >> these
> >> or did not read them. The discussion about the turns from Tunnel to
> >> W.Carson is also a part of the archives, it has been discussed before.
> >> I just remember the latter 1940s, not the specific date.
> >>
> >>
> >> Phil
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> >> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:49 PM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRC Rt. 23
> >>
> >> Phil
> >>
> >> I am well aware that the links are there. The photos are not there. My 
> >> ole
> >> granpappy done tole me, "Son, never klik on links. There be dragons 
> >> there."
> >>
> >> It is my practice to embed them in my emails but the dreaded villainous
> >> Ecartis sees that such is never carried out when the message arrives at 
> >> the
> >> computers of the addressees.
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
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