[PRCo] Re: February 10, 1978

[Dwight Long]

Herb

Of course I agree with you.  I just found it rather singular that they would use such an illustration.

After further reflection, I agree with Fred that it is likely either a late model Cincy curved-side car or a composite of several such, and not a Red Devil.

Dwight

From: Herb Brannon 
Sent: Thursday, 26 January, 2012 21:51
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org 
Subject: [PRCo] Re: February 10, 1978
I'm with you Dwight, it looks like a C&LE lightweight. I also think the
NTSB (coming into existence in 1967)  may never had investigated major
streetcar accidents, so they just took the first trolley drawing they came
across for the purpose of the diagram. It really does not matter.
Anyway, the main point of the posting is the body of the report itself
which narrates how and why the accident happened. The fact that the diagram
doesn't have a PCC drawing is moot. The conclusions and recommendations of
the NTSB deserve much more lip service than the diagram.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 18:39, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

> Herb
>
> Most interesting report.
>
> Not pertinent to the accident itself is the fact that the NTSB did not use
> a PCC car in their illustration, but rather what appears to be a C&LE “Red
> Devil!”
>
> Dwight
>
> From: Herb Brannon
> Sent: Thursday, 26 January, 2012 14:56
> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: February 10, 1978
> Lets try it with the file attached this time.
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 14:54, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
>
> > I have had a copy of the NTSB investigation into the collision of
> PATranst
> > PCC 1790 and bus 2413, on the morning of February 10, 1978, and would
> like
> > to share it.
> >
> > I was working the 35-Library and was probably inbound somewhere between
> > Washington Jct and Castle Shannon Municipal Building when the accident
> > actually occurred. By the time I reached Frederick Street and all the
> way,
> > inbound, through the single track to Boggs it was slow going and waiting
> > for lots of red signals. Cars were barely moving either direction do to
> the
> > emergency activity at SHJct, involving Police, Fire, EMS, PATransit
> > responders and bystanders, effectively shutting down the junction. I did
> > not know this until later. My first notion that something "big" had
> > happened was when I saw 42 and 42/38 cars coming outbound on the 35/36/37
> > tracks. Slowdowns were an almost daily occurrence on the rail system back
> > then usually do to malfunctioning signals or crippled cars, however, this
> > had now consumed time well beyond the usual break down or malfunction.
> > Finally, while sitting near Boggs an outbound operator stopped and
> quickly
> > mentioned to me that there had been a serious accident but gave no
> details.
> > When I rounded the curve, above the 42/38 tracks and looking down on Palm
> > Garden, I saw an unreal sight. The "transitway" in the Palm Garden area
> and
> > all around it was filled with emergency vehicles and people. Later, after
> > returning from downtown, I found out the extent of the incident.
> >
> > The attached report is a .pdf file to be opened with Adobe Reader. There
> > are some good diagrams included in the report. Hopefully, the List Server
> > will retain the .pdf file as a link. If it doesn't, email me and I can
> send
> > a copy to you through regular email.
> >
> > --
> > Herb Brannon
> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >
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> Herb Brannon
> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PATransitTrolley-BusAccident2-78.pdf
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Herb Brannon
In Cuyahoga Valley National Park