[PRCo] Re: February 10, 1978

[Herb Brannon]

Check out the photos.
Your last sentence sums it up............"....or a composite of several
such....."
Which is what I said in the first place.
So much for what have could have been a good discussion on what PATransit
did, and did not do, after the NTSB report.



On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 00:31, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:

> Herb
>
> Of course I agree with you.  I just found it rather singular that they
> would use such an illustration.
>
> After further reflection, I agree with Fred that it is likely either a
> late model Cincy curved-side car or a composite of several such, and not a
> Red Devil.
>
> Dwight
>
> From: Herb Brannon
> Sent: Thursday, 26 January, 2012 21:51
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementix.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: February 10, 1978
> I'm with you Dwight, it looks like a C&LE lightweight. I also think the
> NTSB (coming into existence in 1967)  may never had investigated major
> streetcar accidents, so they just took the first trolley drawing they came
> across for the purpose of the diagram. It really does not matter.
> Anyway, the main point of the posting is the body of the report itself
> which narrates how and why the accident happened. The fact that the diagram
> doesn't have a PCC drawing is moot. The conclusions and recommendations of
> the NTSB deserve much more lip service than the diagram.
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 18:39, Dwight Long <dwightlong at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Herb
> >
> > Most interesting report.
> >
> > Not pertinent to the accident itself is the fact that the NTSB did not
> use
> > a PCC car in their illustration, but rather what appears to be a C&LE
> “Red
> > Devil!”
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> > From: Herb Brannon
> > Sent: Thursday, 26 January, 2012 14:56
> > To: Pittsburgh Railways Group
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: February 10, 1978
> > Lets try it with the file attached this time.
> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 14:54, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I have had a copy of the NTSB investigation into the collision of
> > PATranst
> > > PCC 1790 and bus 2413, on the morning of February 10, 1978, and would
> > like
> > > to share it.
> > >
> > > I was working the 35-Library and was probably inbound somewhere between
> > > Washington Jct and Castle Shannon Municipal Building when the accident
> > > actually occurred. By the time I reached Frederick Street and all the
> > way,
> > > inbound, through the single track to Boggs it was slow going and
> waiting
> > > for lots of red signals. Cars were barely moving either direction do to
> > the
> > > emergency activity at SHJct, involving Police, Fire, EMS, PATransit
> > > responders and bystanders, effectively shutting down the junction. I
> did
> > > not know this until later. My first notion that something "big" had
> > > happened was when I saw 42 and 42/38 cars coming outbound on the
> 35/36/37
> > > tracks. Slowdowns were an almost daily occurrence on the rail system
> back
> > > then usually do to malfunctioning signals or crippled cars, however,
> this
> > > had now consumed time well beyond the usual break down or malfunction.
> > > Finally, while sitting near Boggs an outbound operator stopped and
> > quickly
> > > mentioned to me that there had been a serious accident but gave no
> > details.
> > > When I rounded the curve, above the 42/38 tracks and looking down on
> Palm
> > > Garden, I saw an unreal sight. The "transitway" in the Palm Garden area
> > and
> > > all around it was filled with emergency vehicles and people. Later,
> after
> > > returning from downtown, I found out the extent of the incident.
> > >
> > > The attached report is a .pdf file to be opened with Adobe Reader.
> There
> > > are some good diagrams included in the report. Hopefully, the List
> Server
> > > will retain the .pdf file as a link. If it doesn't, email me and I can
> > send
> > > a copy to you through regular email.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Herb Brannon
> > > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Herb Brannon
> > In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
> >
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> > -- Attached file removed by Ecartis and put at URL below --
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> > -- Size: 1284k (1315060 bytes)
> > -- URL :
> >
> http://lists.dementix.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/PATransitTrolley-BusAccident2-78.pdf
> >
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> --
> Herb Brannon
> In Cuyahoga Valley National Park
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Herb Brannon
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